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Old 11-02-2009, 04:52 PM   #1
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So this topic has been brought up a bunch of times- and I have been to the websites with pictures- but I wanted to get your opinions...

Okay- background info

We bought this doe bred as a yearling- she was supposed to be due in July- but due date came and went.. no kids
So we lutalysed her hoping to be able to at least get fall kids out of her as a two year old, well the lutalyse didnt really bring on a strong heat cycle and she didnt get bred- no big deal there since none of them that I tried to get bred for fall took with the lutalyse.

So she came into heat early- a good heat- and was bred for Feb kids, I was really happy that her 21 day mark came and went with no signs of heat, I thought we finally got her bred....well at around 29 days, she went into a crazy screaming yelling standing at the fence flagging heat....ugh so we bred her again! (mind you we tried breeding her to at least 3 different bucks...so the buck isnt the issue)

We are at 30 days TODAY and I pulled her out to draw blood to send off to see if we finally got her to take....and while she was up on the stand I looked at her vulva and it really caught my attention, I cant believe I never noticed it before actually......

what do you think?? sorry the pics are so crappy- they were from my cell phone




Never noticed any buck like behavior- maybe when she is in a full heat- but they all do that.....

I will be pretty dissapointed if this doe is a he-she, but Im leaning towards the idea now



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Old 11-02-2009, 07:34 PM   #2
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It looks like she could have a bit he already in her.



If you have twin’s one boy and one girl will there likely be a hermaphrodite?

With my cattle heard there was a huge chance of the girl being sterile. I have automatically been assuming that any set of split sex twins were both headed for freezer camp. Well I run a large freezer camp operation any way so it dose not take to get on that list.



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Old 11-02-2009, 07:41 PM   #3
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No- there isnt really an issue with free-martins in goats- they can have 2-3-4-5 even 6 kids, very rarely do you ever see an issue with sterility

This would be my first case out of....wow lots and lots of goats...

I guess friday could be the answer when I get the preg test back

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Old 11-02-2009, 07:57 PM   #4
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You could try the willow stick or swing a chain. But yes the blood test is the best.

Yes I was trying to think of free martins but could not think of it. I have sent a bunch of goats that would have had a good chance of becoming replacements to the freezer.

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Old 11-02-2009, 08:06 PM   #5
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anyone else think she looks eerily similar to the pictures on this website http://www.goatwisdom.com/ch8diseases/h ... itism.html

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Old 11-02-2009, 10:26 PM   #6
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As a newbie, I have no firsthand knowledge . . . but the picture you posted does seem similar to the link, with your doe's enlargement below the vulva perhaps being even larger or maybe the angle of your picture just makes it more obvious Have you gone so far as to look for the bulb-like object they mentioned?

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Old 11-02-2009, 10:42 PM   #7
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no goats can have mixed gender kids and they will not be sterile

Proctor Hill -- your doe since she did come into heat I am leaning towards her not being a Hermaphrodite but I havent studied this indepth so maybe they can still come into heat even if they are a Hermaphrodite

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Old 11-02-2009, 10:56 PM   #8
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wow I'm new to raising goats but I know quite a bit about them but I have never heard of a goat hermaphrodite before!

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Old 11-03-2009, 12:34 AM   #9
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Feel where her udder is and see if there are any hard knots that may be testes. You may also need to open the vulva a bit to see if there is a penis just inside. IF you find any of these you have your answer. Sometimes you can do an internal check to see if there is a cervix or a closed off wall. The cervix would be like a donut with a closed hole in the middle.

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Old 11-03-2009, 01:13 AM   #10
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My hermaphro looks a bit like that. Mine is a little more "out there". One of the bigest thing we see is her teets. She just has tiny wether size ones. No where near the other girls size at the same age.
I will tell you she is my best goat. She is being trained for packing and cart and she also let's me know when the other girls are in heat with out the blubbering and peeing of a buck. She smells better to and gives great kisses!



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