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Old 03-09-2009, 01:23 PM   #1
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Someone told me that giving a goat cider vinegar before breeding them would make you more likely to get does than bucks as it changed the Ph in the womb so that the girly wigglers were more likely to get there first... or something...

I wasnt home to try this although I did try to encourage the person who's looking after my goats to give them some vinegar... dunno if they did or not.

I guess I'll see when Demi explodes (if she loves me she'll explode at day 145 as I'm not actually gonna be there at day 150 )



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Old 03-09-2009, 03:14 PM   #2
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In order to change the vaginal pH of a doe, the vinegar would have to be injected/squirted into the vagina itself. Feeding it would have no affect on that end considering that goats produce acetic acid(vinegar) in their rumens. There are all sorts of old wives tales on how to get more male or female babies from an animal because someone did something and coincidently it worked. It wasn't what they did or didn't do. It Was the fact that the sire they used threw more of one sex than the other. The male is the one that determines the sex of the baby. If you want all does, you will have to choose a buck that throws mostly does.

What breed is Demi? If shes a Nubian they mostly go 150 like clockwork and some go a few days more. From what I have heard from others and seen with my own doe, they don't go early. I don't know about Toggs as I am still waiting on one.



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Old 03-09-2009, 03:16 PM   #3
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I have heard that tale also - but have never tried it!

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Default Re: Cider vinegar before breeding affecting buck/doe ratio?

I've heard it too but never tried it in that way. I know that ACV is good for goaties anyways and they LOVE it in their water (at least mine do) so I give it to them occasionally.

I try this is get more does. Counting out when a doe is due to cycle and then putting her with our buck a few days before the actual cycle. I'm not sure that it works or not but we do get more doe kids! That could just be coincidence and our buck is just a really good "girl-thrower."

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Old 03-09-2009, 05:10 PM   #5
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We have tried this before and it has worked though, we didn't get as many bucklings that year we tried it!

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Demi is a Snubian. FF

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I do not see how feeding AC vinegar could have any impact on the number of female kids a doe has...Goat's bodies have many buffers that keep their internal body pH constant no matter what they're fed...if a goat's body pH changed significantly, it would probably die. AC vinegar might change the pH of the urine, but not any of the tissue fluids. I could be wrong, but I think this is just a myth...

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try this is get more does. Counting out when a doe is due to cycle and then putting her with our buck a few days before the actual cycle. I'm not sure that it works or not but we do get more doe kids! That could just be coincidence and our buck is just a really good "girl-thrower."
I think this method has more potential--I have always heard that the closer to ovulation a doe is when she is bred, the more likely she will have male kids, and the farther she is, the more likely she'll have females. This is because the "male" sperm are faster, but not as hardy while the "female" sperm are more robust, but much slower. The "female" sperm can survive much longer in vagina and uterus and can "wait around" for ovulation to occur...the weaker "male" sperm have a much shorter window of opportunity.
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That is exactly how my mom explained it to me. . . it was just too complicated for me to try and write that out.



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