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Old 06-19-2017, 06:06 AM   #41
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If they shoot the pigs, why don't they shoot the goats too? How can you think that being cut with a knife doesn't hurt? That makes no sense to me. Also, why break their neck after cutting them instead of before?


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Old 06-19-2017, 09:38 AM   #42
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If done properly with very sharp knife from one side to the other quickly in a fraction of a second, severing windpipe & esophagus it is very humane.
I must confirm this - I have used similar methods to dispatch chickens - and despite what people think, chickens CAN feel pain and panic. It's in the technique - I have also seen incorrect stunning methods that lead to a large animal in horrific pain, unable to move, but panicking. Lastly, I've also experienced having no idea if an animal is dead - realising that it is later, but mistaking nerve twitches for life.

I have multiple Muslim coworkers, some of whom are vegetarian entirely (all vegetarian food is Halal, of course). Others who couldn't imagine an animal suffering for them - some of whom are dog lovers. Like anyone else, there is a wide range of people. I've met plenty of hunters here who show a distressing lack of empathy when dispatching an animal, leaving injured ones to die in pain 'because ducks cannot feel pain' or 'fish cannot feel pain'.

I've been cut right through tendons myself, personally, with a razor sharp knife - I did not feel it. I only started feeling 'sick' as my body went into shock about ten minutes later. So it seems to me that it is a technique issue, as well as having the correct tools to do so. Much like any other method, there will be unethical people who 'shortcut' because they do not care, or to save money. Correct Halal practice is to avoid suffering, but then correct abattoir practice is to avoid suffering, and we know how that can come out when money becomes an issue.


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Old 06-19-2017, 03:04 PM   #43
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Ok so basically like any other way if done right it is a humane way. I was just curious, not that I'm ever planning on killing anything that way. Sorry Nancy I took your post totally off track :/
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:23 PM   #44
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If they shoot the pigs, why don't they shoot the goats too? How can you think that being cut with a knife doesn't hurt? That makes no sense to me. Also, why break their neck after cutting them instead of before?
I think the pigs are shot first so you can get to the task of cutting the throat to bleed the animal out. Goats are easier to handle. So it isnt a necessary step. As far as breaking the neck first. There is too much resistance with the flesh and such.
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:18 PM   #45
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Jessica84, I, personally, think just the throat cut would be a terrible way to go. A few years ago I decided I was going to raise meat chickens. Came time to butcher and I decided on the cone and throat slit. I tried to do it for days and just couldn't. Even had him in the cone and took him back out several times. I finally used a broomstick and broke his neck THEN cut his throat. It was instant. I just couldn't have an alert, aware, animal bleeding to death. I still only managed the one. ..killing is apparently not something I can handle very well, but if I ever tried again I know I would be breaking the neck or sine other instant death no matter what the animal.

My mom was once dared to kill a chicken. It seems that one of the boys at school was supposed to kill a chicken for dinner, and somehow my mom got roped into proving her mettle by doing the deed for him. She had never killed a chicken before, but insisted that she could do it.

The chicken was spun around and around to make it dizzy. Then it was laid on the chopping block, and my mother swung the axe. The chicken's head fell off, the chicken's body kept walking around, and my mother fainted.

That was the last chicken my mother ever killed.

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Old 06-21-2017, 09:35 PM   #46
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Well back to "Sig", his new name; since he has gotten too big to band he has vet apt next week to get it done. It might cost more than he's worth but on the other hand I'm hoping there won't be any oops babies. Besides, the other wether is getting up in years & he will be a great pet.
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But back to slaughtering methods you all probably didn't grow up during the late 60's & get to spend afternoons with your friends watching them electrocute hogs.
Or request cow eyeballs to bring home in cellophane.
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Gosh. I missed that?? All we got to see were the Dairy Cows giving birth. Now that Dairy Farm is a huge shopping center.
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Oh your gonna have to explain the eyeballs lol I'm a 80s baby so nope I have no idea what this is you speak of lol it does remind me though of my daughters first time butchering which was a deer and all she wanted was the heart. We gave her the heart and yeah she wasn't very impressed at the time lol although we did butcher a steer last week and I have another picture of her and the heart and there's a smile this time not a OMG look lol
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Nancy d, I almost got thrown out of 3rd grade because I brought eyeballs to school for show and tell. The boys thought they were cool, the girls "ewww, gross!" I thought they were pretty neat, myself. (1969 was the year). Thanks for reminding me!


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