I am new to the forums, and semi-new to raising goats. I have read books, forums and watched videos on you-tube, to learn as much as I can about how to care for my goats, but am discovering that book knowledge does NOT cover everything.
I had a goat that had a difficult kidding back in the last week of December. I know the signs to watch for, tail up, back arched, mucus etc. When I saw her mucus come out, I called the vet and he said if she had not had it by 3 that evening, to call him back.
She had not delivered by 3, I called him back, he asked me to bring her in. I thought he was going to help with the delivery, but instead he gave me a lesson on what to do if position was not right, and sent us home to "let nature take its course".
He said she should have the kid before morning. Morning came, and the kid had not arrived. I called the vet again, they told me he was out for farm calls that day and would return my call.
I have a friend in Montana that I called, she helped talk me through how to feel for the kid, but I couldn't get my hand in fully to tell. I could feel a hoof, but that was all. To make a long story short, I was able to determine she wasn't dialating, my friend had her vet in Montana call me, and she told me I had to get the vet to give her a shot or do the c-section.
I was able to find one vet almost halfway across the state that would have come and done an emergency c-section if I could have paid the $1,000 but I didn't have it
My vet just poofed on me, never returned my calls, STILL have not heard from him.
I was finally on day three able to get a friend over who was able to pull the kid out. I had originally called her husband to come shoot my goat, she had been in severe pain for more than 48 hours by this time and it was breaking my heart. They raise horses, his wife I found out had helped others in the past with problem deliveries even with goats so she offered to come help and see if she could do anything.
She said the goat was "dry" and that the baby was all twisted up, head below chest, one leg out (the one I felt) and one leg under, she explained how she was able to get her hand under the kids head. I had spent all night massaging her cervix every 30 minutes, she had dialated enough by this time where my friend was able to go in (she has very tiny hands) and get the kid out. The kid did not survive, but she was able to save my goat.
she said not every delivery was this problemic, and that I should have better luck with my other 2 who were due.
Now again, I know what to watch for, back up, tail up, enlarging udders etc. My other goat, snow white, on the 8th she was fine, none of the signs at all other than back raised a little bit. Blue eyes, my first delivery, had arched back for 3 weeks before the mucus showed, so I figured snow white still had PLENTY of time.
On the 9th, the kids went to feed the goats and came running back to tell me snow white had blood hanging from her.
I ran to the pen, and saw the afterbirth hanging out of her, the kid was in the corner, already dead.
My FIL said a change in weather can make a goat go into labor, on the 9th we were getting winter storm warnings about an ice storm, so I don't know if this made her go into labor or not but she didn't have ANY of the signs of birth being soon. I was planning to move her into the greenhouse, where it is warmer for the kid, when I saw her mucus, or udders grow.
Once I stopped crying (my husband buried the kid), my oldest daughter told me she was still "pushing".
When I saw that, I moved her to the greenhouse, and made a call to the friend who had saved blue eyes earlier. She told me that sometimes twins are in seperate sacs, and that the next one should be born by noon yesterday.
I stayed up all night with her in the greenhouse, examined her occassionally, but figured since nature did fine with the first, it would do fine with this one.
Come morning (yesterday), there was still no baby. She is fully dialated, my hand can go in her much easier than it could with blue eyes, but I can't tell if there is a kid in her or not. I do not feel a hoof or anything. I can get my hand in about right above wrist, my friend had to go almost to elbow to get the other kid out.
I tried to examine her again this morning, I can't get the vet, my friend can't come help this time, we had an ice storm and the roads are not safe, but my poor goat is still trying to push something out and I can't help her.
She is not in pain like blue eyes was with her delivery, she just keeps walkign around, stopping, pushing. I see something moving inside her, on the left side I think it may be the rumen, but the right side, I can't tell if it's a kid or a contraction.
She's already passed the afterbirth, so why would she still be trying to push something out?
The last time I examined her, she started bleeding like crazy, that's how I found this forum. I gave her a shot of pennicillan, and kept an eye on her, right now the bleeding has stopped but it makes me too scared to examine her again.
I don't know what to do, I moved her back to the pen so that she would at least be happy with her other goat friends, she was miserable in the greenhouse.
She's walking around, eating, playing, not acting like she is in any pain, but she is still pushing, usually a big push about 20 minutes to an hour apart.
Can anyone help me figure out how to help her? Do I just leave her alone, and "let nature take its course" even if it could mean she may have a dead kid in her by now? I can't even drive her to the vet that is far away (he's cheaper if I bring to the office during office hours). I can't drive on these icy roads.
I have one more goat due GOD only knows when. Now I don't trust to watch for any signs. When I bought my goats I did not KNOW to schedule their breeding, I thought I could trust my vet, and I figured he'd be the one to call if I had problems. I have learned my lesson, from now on, I will time EVERYTHING and keep trying to learn as best as I can, without relying so heavily on a "vet".
Now I see he's not trustworthy, and my heart is breaking, not just because my goats are suffering, but because I feel like I may have made a mistake in trying to raise goats, I hate to see an animal suffer, and this is tearing my heart to pieces.
I don't know how to help snow white, and I don't know what to do about billy jean, the one that's pregnant still.
Letting nature take it's course seems to be the general attitude of the farmers around here, but we don't let nature take it's course with humans, we shouldn't with animals either
We should be able to help them, and I feel so helpless right now.
I just wanted to post here to see if anyone can explain what Snow White is doing right now, with her still pushing. Is this normal even after the afterbirth has been passed?
Are the movements on the RIGHT side normal, can contractions look like a baby moving? I know on the left side, it could be rumen movement, but why the right side?
And if the movement is just contractions, why is she still having them? She passed ALOT of afterbirth, so I don't think there's some still left in her, but I don't know how to tell.
I'm sorry for the long post, I just found this forum on google, have called everyone I know to call, they all say "if it's a baby, she should have had it by now, call the vet" and I can't get her to a vet