Black Walnut Wormer?

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by CluckyJay, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    I have been using black walnut as a wormer for my dogs/cats/chickens. It is working fine.

    Now I wanna get the goats on it. I just got a book called "Herbal Handbook for Farm and Stable." In the book she calls for 6 green hulls (the green covering on the walnut) brewed in 2 pints of water.

    She said to give one cup, three times a day before meals.

    I brought the water to a rolling boil and am now allowing the mixture to cool. That is "brewing", right? LOL

    Is anyone using a recipe like this? I would like to start them on it but I am always afraid of trying new medicinals on new animals. The stuff looks pretty strong, LOL. I stink and my hands are now a lovely shade of puke green. :GAAH:

    Thank you very much guys!
     
  2. Tolers Boers

    Tolers Boers New Member

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    Jul 4, 2011
    Monticello KY
    and they just drink it by the cupful? sassafras tea was good for head colds and i do remember granma making the black walnut tea too. but u cant possibly drench all those animals with a cup three times a day can you?

    curious....o don't get me wrong i love natural remedies. As a physical therapist i also was in favor of alternative medicines and treatments.

    can u tell me more about your walnut brew and what exactly are the types of worms that it targets?

    keeping an open mind.
     

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  3. Goat Song

    Goat Song Senior Member who ain't so Senior

    May 4, 2011
    Oregon
    I've got that book (love it!), and I tried the walnut brew once, but it was such a large amount for my goats, that I switched over to using black walnut tincture instead.

    Sounds like your brew is coming along nicely, but don't expect your goats to be happy about taking it! I would start out small, and maybe only give your goats 1/2 cup twice daily at first, and then if all seems well, then start increasing up to 1 C. 3x's daily. JMO.

    Tolers, it takes out pretty much every kind of worm, except lung worm. And no, they usually won't drink it. You have to hand drench them.

    Right now, my favorite deworming method is using a black walnut/wormwood tincture. Works like a charm!
     
  4. GotmygoatMTJ

    GotmygoatMTJ New Member

    This may be something I might be interested in trying... Jay if you wanna make us some, be my guest! LOL
     
  5. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    Hey, I was reading further. It said dose a lot of the drenches for goats and sheep was 1 pint or so. This is a book you need to read before using, LOL.


    I would be happy to make you some. We have several trees loaded with nuts! I am looking into condensing it through boiling. I do not know if that destroys the active ingredient though. Gotta find that out, lol.

    I am afraid to use wormword because Maa may be preggers! :O I have a good planting of mugwort that I grow because it is such a useful herb. Bloody crane's bill too. There's a lot of great plants on my property that I have trying to cultivate as natural medicine for us and the animals.

    I will tell you, force-feeding it to Maa was NOT FUN. lol She looks like she has some terrible disease from where it stained her hair, LOL.


    I made a paste to worm the cats/dogs. I added the extract to flour and that was easy to dose.

    Sorry it took so long to respond, I forgot to subscribe to the thread!


    As for horses, if you boil them, wouldn't that destroy the fungus people worry about?

    Tolers, what GoatSong said. It is a very old remedy for worms and other problems too. I can say for fact the GREEN nut hulls works on dogs/cats and chickens. This is my first attempt with goats but my results will be tainted because I am using a chemical wormer for possible lungworms. You can also use the leaves and other parts of the tree as well.

    Were going organic, just not there yet.

    This winter I am buying up as much garlic as I can afford. That is a plant I will never be without because it is SO HEALING. I will buy the chopped, bottled garlic to use while I am getting my plants going. One step at a time to organic, lol. Gosh I love garlic.


    This book is a MUST HAVE if you want to do natural stuff. Man oh man is it great.
     
  6. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    I am right now trying to figure out the best way to dry and store giant ragweed. They love this stuff and it is supposed to be a helpful herb as well.
     
  7. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    GotmygoatMTJ, I can gather some plants if you want to have a go at herbal gardening. I will have to clean my flowerbeds out sometime soon and I can get you starts of stuff. You can just come out and get them when you're ready.

    Most of them are very easy to grow and as long as you keep them watered until established, take care of themselves. Mulching is important of course.

    I will have more stuff next year too. I am buying mangle seeds this fall or winter, I can share with you, if you want.
     
  8. goathiker

    goathiker I'm watching you

    Apr 13, 2011
    Oregon Coast Range
    Hi, do your black walnut trees have a hundred baby trees under them like a lot of them do? How would you feel about stuffng some in a flat rate box? I could send you baby Plantain plants in return. I could also sent you postage.
     
  9. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    Let me check around the property. Hillis mowed down the ones in the front yard, LOL. I'm sure there are some growing around in our back woods. I can't afford to ship anything right now, we are getting ready to spend all our money on our son's 5'th birthday party. lol

    They grow quickly from seed, just take forever to actually produce nuts. You can use the leaves as a wormer though, they just aren't as strong as the nut hulls.
     
  10. Tolers Boers

    Tolers Boers New Member

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    Jul 4, 2011
    Monticello KY
    i make sure they get once a week chopped fresh cloves of garlic. I doctor up the carrots with cinnamon. i too plan an herbal garden and or planting the things i can in pasture.....peppermint garlic . etc. we have all kinds of rag weed and we have walnut trees we have 5 can u ship the them walnuts in the hulls while they still green? if u cover postage i send any of u some of them.

    im going to online search for seeds for other stuff turnips parsly peppermint garlic i know can be grown plant form and prob best to do that.

    to track down slippery elm bark is a trouble spot right now. when i used to sing i bought some in a tea. wonder if i could make them tea treats like ice cubes and get it to them that way???? anyone know about the slippery elm bark???

    appriciate all advice and the offer for walnuts stands.
     

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  11. potentialfarm

    potentialfarm New Member

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    Apr 11, 2011
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    Tolers, I'm not sure if you were asking where you could buy slippery elm bark? Molly's Herbals sells it.
     
  12. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    I am gonna check our property for slippery elm. It is "supposed" to grow here natively. Actually, I THINK I have seen it on our land.

    http://www.pollenlibrary.com/map.aspx?m ... -rubra.png

    From what I garnered, you are supposed to make the walnut wormer from green hulls that haven't dried yet. I'm not really sure if this is a have to thing though. am gathering mine green and preparing them as needed. I make enough to worm said animal for several days before making more.

    You can use vinegar or vodka to preserve it too, I think. We'll use vinegar because I don't want drunk animals, LOL.

    I am ordering more yarrow, mugwort and other herbal seeds too. Here is a good link to order seeds by the ounce.

    I like these people and have ordered from them before. The seeds are nice and clean when you get them. One ounce of seed is A LOT!

    http://stores.ebay.com/everwildefarms

    It is easy to buy the slippery elm bark though. Here, check on Ebay.

    http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=slippe ... m270.l1313
     
  13. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Another good forage crop are Chinese elm trees. They grow SUPER quick from seed and the goats adore them. The seeds are good for eating as well. I am careful about planting nonnatives so wouldn't allow mine to go to seed. Hard, rotational grazing should keep that problem at bay.
     
  14. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    A word of warning about the black walnut guys ...make SURE you wear gloves! My hands will be stained for probably two more weeks. It looks rather nasty, LOL.

    It will stain your goats too--so make sure you don't drip it on them if you're showing. Maybe smear a THICK layer of petroleum jelly on their heads, especially around their mouths hehe. Maa Belle (white) looks like she has some terrible disease because of the stain, LOL. Make sure you wipe them off or they will transfer the dye to other parts of their bodies, LOL.
     
  15. Mandara Farm

    Mandara Farm New Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Hi CluckyJay,

    What is the book you're referring to? I'd be so interested in getting it, as I'm very into natural remedies too.

    I read once a while ago in a Hulda Clark book that the best worming combo is Black Walnut, Wormwood, and Cloves. Individually they're great, but supposedly together they pack a knock-out punch to parasites. Her book is for humans and also household pets, so I assume it's probably good for goats too. I've been using the Molly's herbals quite happily, but would like to make my own someday so this book sounds right up my ally.
     
  16. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    Yup, a lot of herbs work better when used in combination. Its called The Complete Herbal Handbook for Farm and Stable. Its really good!!!
     
  17. Mandara Farm

    Mandara Farm New Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Thanks CluckyJay! On my way to amazon to check it out... :hi5:
     
  18. Great discussion here. I'm keen on herbals and botanicals. I checked out "The Complete Herbal Hand book for Farm and Stable at Amazon. It's under $20 so hopefully if I can make up a bigger order and get shipping free.

    I have been using wormwood tincture, cloves, juniper berries and thyme but I haven't been able to get enough of a worm load (thankfully) to compare to see if it is working well. I wanted to add black walnut hulls, but have not been able to find it. Do you think black walnut leaves would work? I can get those at the health food store in town.

    Goat Song, how much black walnut tincture do you use?
     
  19. Mandara Farm

    Mandara Farm New Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Just made an order from Amazon for The Complete Herbal Handbook for Farm and Stable and also got Alternative Treatments for Ruminant Animals. Can't wait to see these books! Thanks for recommending the first CluckyJay. :thumb:
     
  20. CluckyJay

    CluckyJay New Member

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    Aug 3, 2011
    I believe all parts of the walnut tree will work--the hulls are the strongest. I know the book said you can use the leaves too. Not sure but I think she said several handfuls of leaves.

    My goats can't stand it but they will nibble a bit on the leaves. Make sure you wear gloves!

    I need to plant junipers! Thanks for the reminder kid'n!

    I wonder if I should start selling the black walnut hulls, LOL.

    If I can remember and have time, I will see tomorrow how many I have extra and I might be able to give a bit away for shipping. Some one else was asking for that or trees, I can't remember. Maybe I should start planting some of them? LOL If I can just grind and dry them I can ship several in powdered for for a small shipping fee, I think. Lemme look into drying them.

    I have such a bad short-term memory. :(