Does bullying stop when victim grows up?

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by Texas.girl, Oct 24, 2012.

  1. Texas.girl

    Texas.girl Adopted by Goats

    Sport was born near the end of June and around 10 weeksof age the vet confirmed some vision and neurological issues. He is a bit wobbly on his feet and neverjumps on or off stuff. We kept him awayfrom the older 3 goats until he was about 2 months old but from the verybeginning the other goats would show dominance through the fence towardshim. Once we had confirmation he isSpecial Needs, we had him (to steal someone else’s term) wetherized. Sportis the sweetest little boy and we just love him, but the other 3 goats continueto bully him. Things seem to have beengetting better so I have been allowing daytime visitations, but this morning Iwitnessed one of the worse bullying episodes to date. My queen was the only one who did notparticipate. My smelly buck and petitedairy doe together went after Sport for the attack.:mad: Poor Sport, trying to run away from them,wound up wedged between the fence and a sheet of metal roofing (held in placeby bales of straw). He was totallytrapped by the time I was able to get into the garden where all the goats werelocated. I had to lift him up to get himout and as soon as I put him on the ground my buck went for him. At least I think the buck was after Sport,but my leg got the impact of his horn. :angry:Needless to say, there will not be anymore daytime visitations forawhile. Sport is full blooded Boer so Iexpect that when he grows up he will be the biggest boy around. My buck is Spanish so I am assuming he willbe a bit smaller. I have a Boer doe (queen)and a Nubian/Alpine/possibly pigmy doe too. What I am wondering is when Sport grows up and is bigger than everyoneelse will the bullying diminish? Isthere any hope of them Sport living with my buck or does in the future? If the answer no or probably not, is thereany hope that Sport might be able to live with one of my twins (bucks who areabout 7 weeks old now). Sport and thetwins have spent many days together deweeding my vegetable garden and seem toget along. My entire herd is made up of abandonedbottle babies.
     
  2. Shellshocker66

    Shellshocker66 Wrapped around a hoof!

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    Mar 19, 2012
    Southern Oregon
    Texas, I don't know how to answer your question. But I do applaud you for taking in those abandoned bottle babies. I can't even imagine how spoiled your little herd is :)
     

  3. Texas.girl

    Texas.girl Adopted by Goats

    My sweet Sport survived the attack.

    Before the attack Midnight, my smelly buck, was walking on the straw bales placed in the garden yesterday. Sport wound up wedged between that sheet of metal roofing and the fence. Walking past Midnight is Lawn Mower, my queen. She rarely goes after Sport anymore.
     

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  4. KarmakeeFarm

    KarmakeeFarm New Member

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    Jun 2, 2012
    Poor little Sport:[ I hope they will get used to him! I have had that issue with does but they normally come around in time
     
  5. Trickyroo

    Trickyroo New Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    New York
    Awww , poor baby !! Give little Sport a hug for me ?
    I hope things settle down once he is grown.
    I would like to see Sport once he is full grown turn around and say
    to the others " you want soma dis" , lololol
     
  6. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    That is so sad, and I am so sorry. I to commend you for taking him in and spoiling him rotten, that is great.

    I hate to say it but I think that is something that might happen for ever. I say that because goats know if there is something wrong, that is why a mom will abanden a baby when she knows there is something wrong and they will not make it. Sometimes I think we need to listen to them but our heats just wont let us.

    It might be best to find a dog to be his companion instead of another goat. His face just says "Hey love all over me Okay"? :lovey:
     
  7. Texas.girl

    Texas.girl Adopted by Goats

    Hopefully a younger goat will become his friend if the older goats never accept him. Time will tell. In the mean time his home will have to remain in our vegetable garden until we can build a 2nd goat enclosure. We plan on having chickens one day, maybe Sport would welcome them as friends. Time will tell.
     
  8. Trickyroo

    Trickyroo New Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    New York
    I'll be your friend Sport :hug:

    Hey , We can have sort of a "Team Sport" logo or something , lol. :grouphug:
     
  9. Texas.girl

    Texas.girl Adopted by Goats

    I do believe (if the story I was told is accurate) that Sport's mom knew something was not right with him, but it is a tough call. I know the story of every one of my 6 adandoned babies except for my oldest, who just walked up to the house last year. But even her behavior from the very beginning screamed "I was bottle fed in the living room so why won't you let me in the house?" I have 5 very healthy goats. If ranchers just left abandoned babies in the field to die, a lot of perfectally healthy kids would be lost. And honestly, if the rancher who owns Sport's mom had not given him away, then sooner or later Sport would have brought in $$ at the auction house.
     
  10. Trickyroo

    Trickyroo New Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    New York
    Im with you Texas.girl , I would try to save them all , thats just who I am. If I knew I couldnt save them , I would have them humanely put down and not left to suffer and die. We are human and thats what ( most ) humans do.
    The ranchers that leave them to die are cruel. I understand they dont want sick stock , but at least put it out of its misery and dont let them suffer. JMHO.

    I picked one of my girls because I thought she didnt look so good and she would be better off with me. I passed on some nice kids but I wanted her . Little did I know she was to be fine and she is a healthy little thing. Small , but not that small to think something is wrong with her . Her name is Dixie Girl :):):)
     
  11. Brooks-of-Judah

    Brooks-of-Judah Junior Member

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    Oct 1, 2012
    My guess is, your best bet is to build a second pen and put Sport and one of the younger kids in it. That way, you'll have options, if you have more problems in the future and need to separate somebody.

    I have registered Nubians, and the youngest is a doeling born the end of March. I keep my buck in the herd most of the time, but only recently had him separated for about a month for the very same reason you're having trouble. He kept butting the little girl, and wouldn't let her near the hay. I realized I had problems when I put her in the milking stand to trim her hooves and realized she was losing weight! I started feeding her some grain in the milking stand every day, and putting hay in two separate places, so the herd could divide up, but when I saw that big guy slam her into the barn wall, I took him OUT! I put him in solitary confinement for several weeks, and just day before yesterday let him go back in with the girls. So far, I haven't seen him mistreat her, but if he does, it's back in lock-up for him!
     
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  12. Texas.girl

    Texas.girl Adopted by Goats

    Brooks--I fully understand what you are going through. First, another pen is in the planning stage. We know where we are going to build it but first must finish other projects. Second, our goat pen currently houses 2 does and 1 buck in rut. Our does are a Boer (queen) born in 2011 and a petite dairy doe born last Feb. Our buck tries but fails to chase our boer away from the pellets but was succeeding with keeping our little dairy doe from eating. I was feeding her in a seperate place but he still managed to chase her away from both feeders. So now he is fed from a single trough hanging from the fence and I chain him to the fence. He is released when my dairy doe finishes eating. That is the only way I can make sure my dairy doe gets something to eat. At the moment Sport lives in my vegetable garden and eats his pellets there. My twins are only 7 weeks old and have a kennel all to themselves, but it won't be long before they will have to be moved to larger quarters. So another pen needs to be built quickly but fence building is a job here--the posts go into solid rock, not soil.