How do you go about testing for CL/CAE/Johne's?

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by ecologystudent, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. ecologystudent

    ecologystudent New Member

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    May 29, 2009
    Lacey, wa
    First, though, do you test for all three? In my area, everyone advertises that their goats are CAE free, some CL, but I haven't herd mention of Johne's.

    How do you determine if you need to test for each of the diseases? Also, how do you go about it? Do you go to the vet and they take samples and mail it off, or what?

    I want to know for the future, and also because the last time my two were tested was last august, so it's coming up and I want to know if I should expand what I'm testing for.

    Thanks!
     
  2. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    CAE + Johnes = blood test

    I'm not sure about the CL because I vaccinate ...

    Sorry, I'll give you a bit longer answer a bit later - a goat just rocked up on my front verandah ... not one of mine lol think I better go see where she came froM!
     

  3. bheila

    bheila New Member

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    Jan 9, 2009
    Kent, Wa
    I drew all of my goats blood on my own for the first time this last May. It was pretty easy and it saved me a lot of money doing it myself. I bought the tubes, needles, syringes, drew the blood and sent it in to WADDL.

    I tested mine for CAE/CL and Johnes. What you test your goats for depends on the purpose of your goats(IMO)....pets, breeding, selling, milking....etc.

    I wish you were a little closer I'd be willing to help you, besides I still have 75 blood collection tubes that will take years for me to use.
     
  4. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    Okay I'm back lol

    Okay, so blood tests for all three. Johnes can be either blood or faecal, faecal takes longer but it a touch more accurate, but really blood tests are easier and do just fine. CL can be done on the blood but again I think its less accurate, than testing the pus from an abcess (if the goat has an abcess that is!) Also be aware that if the goats have been vaccinated for Johnes or CL (no vaccine for CAE) then they will show up a positive result even if they dont have the disease.

    Really, if you just have pet goats, and sell a few off as pets, there probably is no need to test them, unless you see signs of the disease in the herd. However, if you are breeding for seedstock, or showing, you probably do need to test.

    I test annually. The nice thing is you can collect the blood, and have tests done for the three diseases and PREGNANCY as well, if you time it right.

    You can get your vet (or a friend if they know how) to show you how to take the blood, send it to the lab directly, or to the vet to send to the lab, or you can have the vet take the blood.
     
  5. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I tested this past spring for the first time. Sent everything to WADDL since I wanted CL and Johnes but there is one that does a good CAE test that is cheeper.

    Once each of my goats is tested negative for CL then I wont be testing them for CL again unless one comes up positive then I will have to test everyone again. But I keep a fairly closed herd.

    I spot tested for Johnes also and that came up negative I didnt feel the need to test all the goats for Johnes since it is very contagious and if one has it then they all do.

    I used blood for all my testing. Doesnt take much blood to do all three
     
  6. ecologystudent

    ecologystudent New Member

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    May 29, 2009
    Lacey, wa
    Thank you for all the responses! Currently, my two are for milk/pets, but I really would like to show and breed as well, on the small scale for 3-5 years, and then I'll be able to expand a whole lot. Neither of mine have shown any disease symptoms, this is just for information.

    My mom was a nurse, so I'm sure she could show me how to draw blood. Do I just mail it to them? Is there a form somewhere to download and fill out? And where do you get the syringes/vials?

    Thanks!
     
  7. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
  8. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Man, I wish I was going to be going to the west side for a weekend!!!

    How far are you from Seatac? I know that plane tickets are like $40.00 each way, and I could hop on a plane and fly over for a day and help ya....

    How many goats do you have? Are you breeding for quality animals or only for pets or are you wanting to breed at all?
     
  9. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I think she has two goats Allison
     
  10. liz

    liz New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Hey Allison? Since you are offering, wanna make a really far trip and show me? I have 8 I'd really like to have tested. :slapfloor:
     
  11. ecologystudent

    ecologystudent New Member

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    May 29, 2009
    Lacey, wa
    Yes, I only have two. I'm just beginning- I bought these two just for milk, and then realized just how much I love goats. I eventually want to build a herd- just a little space-limited here! But that may change in as little as 3 months, or as long as 3 years.

    I'm about an hour away from Seatac. But it doesn't sound like it'd be that hard- just draw the blood, put it in a vial (I assume), pack it and mail it, right?

    For the form, it'd be virology and bacteriology, right? Or would it be other for CL/CAE/Johne's? Thank you everyone for being so helpful.
     
  12. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    cant remember which form but you need the red top tubes
     
  13. ecologystudent

    ecologystudent New Member

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    May 29, 2009
    Lacey, wa

    And where do I get those?
     
  14. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    the red top tubes you can purchase from Jefferspet.com o valleyvet.com or you can purchase from a local vet. You will draw the blood from the jugular, put it in the tube immediately, label with farm name, date, and animal name.

    the test is serology.

    Wrap all tubes in a papertowel or anything that is absorbant. Put into a baggie. Put the baggie inside another with the paper for what you would like done. Then call WADDL to get fedeX account number, print label from FEDEX.com and call to schedule delivery!!

    If you have any questions, you can call me.

    Liz - sorry hun - you would have to pay for that plane ticket! LOL! but I would :love: to come see you!!!
     
  15. ksacres

    ksacres New Member

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    Oct 30, 2007
    San Antonio Texas
    We use WADDL too, they are fast and will give you your results over the phone if you don't want to wait for the mail.

    There are other less expensive tests for CAE, but WADDL is the only place I have found that uses the cELISA test, which is the most sensitive (no false negatives).

    We haven't tested for Johne's, but plan to spot check this fall.

    A little tip-when your helper is holding the goat, make sure they don't use a collar around the neck, have them hold the head/chin in their hands. For the longest time we couldn't figure out why the jugular wasn't filling-we were like where's the blood?!?!

    We bought the actual blood collection needles and holders-you just pop them in the vein, pop the tube on, and voila! They are a bit more than regular needles and syringes, but they were very convenient for us.