Need ideas

Discussion in '4H/FFA Corner' started by Goatzrule, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Active Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New Hampshire
    This year New Hampshire is going down to Eastern States with our Goats. Theres only two representatives. We were given a topic and we have to do a hands on demonstration for it. All six of the states had to pick a somewhere in their gestation cycle. So we choose birth positions. Now we have to come up with something hands on and educational but how would you turn this into something hands on? Any ideas?
     
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  2. Damfino

    Damfino Active Member

    853
    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    Ooh cool! The most hands-on thing you could bring would be a young goat kid that you could hold in your lap and demonstrate different positions. I did this with one of our kids so I could show my husband how our head-back kid was positioned and what parts of it I could feel. However, it might be traumatic for a live baby to travel from home and have to be used for a lengthy live demonstration. So maybe you could do something similar with a stuffed goat. This stuffed goat even births babies! https://www.gardenagerie.com/products/momma-goat-with-2-kids-playset-and-book

    Visual aids are great. Draw some detailed pictures of different birthing presentations. This is an absolutely wonderful set of drawings: http://www.mythosfarm.com/youre-kidding---dont-panic.html
    Mythos Farm was formerly Gryphon Tor to whom the images are copyrighted, so you may be able to contact this person and get permission to use her images.

    Have fun!
     
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  3. catharina

    catharina Catharina

    Mar 16, 2016
    Northern California
    In human childbirth classes, they sometimes use a knitted or crocheted "uterus" & "birth canal"--they look kind of like very long wool caps that get narrower towards the opening, or a knit vase. Obviously not a good idea if using a live kid, but would work well you had a bendy stuffed animal. If you know a knitter this would be a very easy thing for them to make for you. If they're good, they could knit the kid too!
     
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  4. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator

    Jul 20, 2008
    corning california
    Great idea's
     
  5. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Active Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New Hampshire
    @Damfino @catharina unfortunately we cant bring a live kid. I would kind of like it if the could see the kid from the outside.
     
  6. catharina

    catharina Catharina

    Mar 16, 2016
    Northern California
    With the knit thing, with large stitches you could see through it, but the idea is that they see the baby's presentation & "birth" & they or you can reach in to reposition the baby in the snug but stretchy birth canal.

    A sudden goofy thought--panty hose with one leg tied in a knot & removed & the other shortened, & maybe a rubber band or twist tie on the waist. Then you have a see-through "doe"! You could even have one set up ahead of time for each of the birth positions you want to discuss, so you would only have to "deliver" the kids during your demonstration. Too weird?
     
  7. Damfino

    Damfino Active Member

    853
    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    No, I wouldn't actually recommend bringing a live kid anyway--too stressful and no presentation is worth risking the health of a youngster.

    I love the panty hose idea Catharina posted! I also think using a stuffed monkey toy would be better than a goat because all the stuffed goats I've seen have short legs and thick bodies. On the other hand, stuffed monkeys often have long, slender legs and skinny bodies like a newborn goat and are exactly the right size. Just cut the tail short and call it a La-Mancha! Google "floppy monkey toy" and you'll see what I mean.
     
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  8. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Active Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New Hampshire
    i like that idea. we are going to be presenting this to the other state teams
     
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  9. groovyoldlady

    groovyoldlady Goat Crazy!

    Jul 21, 2011
    Central Maine
    Congrats on going to the Big E! We've been thee a few times on "Maine" day and marched in the parade. My girls have not wanted to show there, but they have a friend that has shown there a few times in the dairy goat show. I bet your demonstration will be AWESOME!!!!!!
     
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  10. catharina

    catharina Catharina

    Mar 16, 2016
    Northern California
    Might want to try support hose if you decide to try the panty hose thing. They're a lot sturdier.
     
  11. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Active Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New Hampshire
    We also have to have a display board. What to put on it o_O
     
  12. goathiker

    goathiker I'm watching you

    Apr 13, 2011
    Oregon Coast Range
    Simple genes like LaMancha ears, polled, blue eyes? That would go with a birth.

    Sent from my LGL34C using Goat Forum mobile app
     
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  13. goathiker

    goathiker I'm watching you

    Apr 13, 2011
    Oregon Coast Range
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  14. Damfino

    Damfino Active Member

    853
    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    What I suggested before about drawings of various birthing presentations would go great on a display board too.
     
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  15. catharina

    catharina Catharina

    Mar 16, 2016
    Northern California
    You could also have a list of supplies needed for a birth kit, with pictures or explanations if needed--emphasis on what you would need if you have to deal with a malpositioned kid.
     
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  16. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Active Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New Hampshire
    Ear pics would be intresting
     
  17. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Active Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New Hampshire
    We picked two different positions and then having the position you want as well. One breached and the other with the head back
     
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  18. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Active Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New Hampshire
    For our second poster we are doing poisons plants. We would like to do three categories. Deadly, Dangerous, Sick (like a stomach ache) I cant find any that go. I know buttercups can go in the "sick" but what else for the different groups?
     
  19. Suzanne_Tyler

    Suzanne_Tyler GreenTGoats

    Jul 19, 2014
    Pinnacle, NC
    mountain laurel (deadly)
    rhododendron (deadly)
    choke cherry (deadly)
    bracken fern (dangerous - causes lameness and blindness)
    red oak (sick - causes mastitis)
     
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  20. catharina

    catharina Catharina

    Mar 16, 2016
    Northern California
    Ivy's supposed to be toxic but doesn't seem to affect my goats--you could put it in the least dangerous category maybe. Avocados too?