Showmanship Questions

Discussion in '4H/FFA Corner' started by Dover Farms, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    I know my goat parts and all the scorecards(Showmanship, Sr. Doe, Jr. Doe, and Buck). I also know some of the parasite/disease symtoms Example: What is a sign of Cocci?(got asked that one time and I got it right), but need to work on them. I was told that I should read the ADGA Guidebook inside out at least once a month...once a week even better(this is for going to Nationals), which I know I should, but the stuff on membership and the commitee meeting stuff is so boring. Although when it gets to the actual goat and breed stuff...I am fine.

    We are going to Louisville this year(YAY!!) and I would like to know what are some general questions they ask at Nationals? I am sure they are harder, but how much? Do they ask much out of the Guidebook other than breed standards like anything about membership and commitee meetings?(Hope not! :p ) Do they ask skeletal parts?

    Thanks!
     
  2. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    Sorry I can't tell you anything but I would also ask this on one of the Yahoo lists :wink:
     

  3. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    Thanks Sarah! I didn't think about that.... :)
     
  4. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    WOW, I don't know what they would ask at Nationals, but my daughter has won Grand Champion Showman for the last 4 years at the County and state level.
    She just studies all the parts, knows her diseases, what to treat certain things with, what the withdraw time is of meds, How to tell someone where a part is on a goat WITHOUT touching or pointing to the goat. (as if you were telling someone here). That was the thing she won it last year at the state fair, because she wanted to know if you new ALL your parts.
    She wanted signs of plant poisoning, Cocci, Worm over load, bloat, and I can not think of the other things. She was VERY hard on the kids, as she should be on the Seniors.
     
  5. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    i never went to nationals as a youth but have friends that did. Even at state levels we were asked to tell the judge a part, in relation to other parts, so like the withers i said, the withers are at the base of the neck, the first part of the four parts of the bak in front of the chine and abouve the point of shoulder. setting up a goat. they may ask you to trade goats. ALWAYS move your new goat foreward a step or two and re set her, this shows the judge that you think you can set up that doe better then the owner. Take a quick peek at the doe as you walk up to her, notice her weakest and strongest points at a glance, the judge my ask you what you like and dislike about her. what would you change about your own doe what are you does strongest points, and why
    dont just say her udder. Why do you like her udder? what makes it her strongest point? the scorecard is a huge thing, know the showmanship scorecard too.
    Cleanliness is another huge thing, for you and your goat. Make sure she is spotless the night before, bather her show sheen her, some tricks to bathing is put some condiotner on her coat while keeping her wet leave it on for about ten minutes before you completly rinse her. Make sure she is well rinsed soap residue stays sticky. When you clip her, take carful consideration of the ears tail top of head and in between toes. work with your doe a lot! get her to walk easily not fighting you when you pick up her feet or touch her udder. Have different friends come over and act as a judge and have them touch her. Some goats freak out when strangers touch them. I dint really have any friends close to me involved in goats, when we traded goats my doe would always freak out yelling and looking for me. Get your friends to handle her as well. So she is calm around new people.
    Know her birthdat her freshening date and any other dates you think you might need, aong with how many times she has freshened.
    characteristics of each breed, parts of course. Depending on your age group there could be a huge range of qestions.
    beth
     
  6. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    Thanks Beth! I never thought about moving a doe forward after switching to re-set her. :greengrin: Hey do you have pics of all the different Alpine colors?? I know a few, but I can't remember all the cou ones and I would like to see them. Maybe then I'll be able to remember! :lol: :)

    I was also told that I should learn how to bump set a goat. I need someone to show me how, because I tried with a doe last summer and I couldn't bump set her worth squat. Also, my does aren't used to it either and I am not confortable with it either, because it takes me longer to do that then to grab the legs to set them up.

    And I know I gotta be prepared for anything. Last year a judge about stumped me, well..not stumped, but it did take me a little bit to answer....he asked a list of the parts that start with C.
     
  7. Muddy Creek Farm

    Muddy Creek Farm New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Keokuk, Iowa
    What is bump setting them? I have an idea but I want to see if it is what I am thinking. Boy I never realized how tough showmanship was!
     
  8. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    Bump setting is where you take your knee(or you can use your hand) and put pressure on the goats point of shoulder(knee) or below the should blade(hand). Depending on which side you apply pressure...supposedly....the opposite(I think) rear leg will move. Now I've got the rear leg to move, but the doe put it too far back...although she does this herself sometimes. I'll have to try more on a doe whose stands more properly than the one that wants to stand like a walker horse.... :roll:

    Anyway...bump setting is good if your doe doesn't like her rear legs being touched and so you can always keep your eye on the judge. (my thinking though...if you can set your doe up quick it won't really matter :p :wink: :lol: )
     
  9. Muddy Creek Farm

    Muddy Creek Farm New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Keokuk, Iowa
    Yep, that's exactly what I thought. I think I will have to try that on some of my does this year. Good luck at Nationals!!
     
  10. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    bump setting can be very difficult to teach the doe. First you have to teach them to set correctly. Practicing to the point that when you stop they automatically set up. This takes a lot of practice. personally i think your better off training your doe to to be alright with you haveing you touch her legs. When your pushing your doe into position i think it looks bad. If you have a nice well built doe, i assume your going to use that red two year old of yours? they tend to naturally set themselves and you wont have to move much. Another thing to remember is keep that topline level. When im setting a doe i level her out before i move her legs, and then again afterword. If you have a doe who is weak in the chine or lower n the withers tickeling just behind her front legs will help that. show the doe not yourself, squatting is a good way to do that. if your knees start to hurt like mine always do, a little trick is when the judge has got his back to you gently pull your doe foreward just a little, get her to take a small step, it gives you a chance to stand up and stretch your knees. Just dont do it too much, maybe once or twice.
    as for the alpines, if they ask you to describe the alpine chaecteristics, use words that apply to the breed: Dished or straight face erect ears they are a medium to large breed they can be any color or combination of colors but pure white and toggenburg patturn (then go on to describe the togg patturn and markings a medium brown with white facial stripes lower legs and ears, along with white triangles on either side of the tail is also descriminated against.
    some of the color patturns are cou clair meaning clear neck wich is black in the back with a saffron gray or tan front end. cou blanc means white neck, black hind quarters and white front quarters. cou noir pronounced coo nwah means black neck, this is black in the front and white in the back. hope this helps some. Its exciting to go to nationals!
    beth
     
  11. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    You know...I see a lot of judges and pro show people that don't bump set. I know one of the Considine boys do though.

    Umm....haha...no I will not be using my 2 year old! :lol: :p She is the one that likes to stand like a walker horse and I am constantly fighting to keep her feet were I want them. To set her front feet is very hard...when you pick up her leg and try to set it down and she doesn't want to...she WILL NOT put that foot down until I let go and then she puts it out too far. :hair: :roll: Most likely I will be using my milking yearling, Flicka, or at least I think she will be milking! She has an udder that will fill up my hand and could be due the 13th or the very beginning of May.

    It does help Beth! I really have to remember the Alpine colors! I know Sundagu(SP?), Chamiosee(SP?), and I know there can be a broken with all of the colors. I am really excited that I get to go and show at Nationals! We went on the day that the Nubians showed in 2006 when it was in Indianapolis. It was fun just to go look! :greengrin:
     
  12. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    lol well maybe flicka would be a better choice! LOl thats funny about your doe, bella? i think thats the one im thinking about. Are you goping to take fool?
    beth
     
  13. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    Yeah, I hope Flicka will behave herself! My two year old is Libby. Bella is a four year old with a mastitis scarred udder. I would like to take Fool...that is if I get her. Tammy(Autumn Acres) is going to Nicole's tonight to help her make final decisions on who she is letting go. I sure hope I am able to get Fool! :greengrin:
     
  14. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    I heard something about, bracing, what is this? - i heard it on a meat goat website. anyone know?
     
  15. Shelly

    Shelly New Member

    386
    Oct 5, 2007
    California
    Bracing is done in market class general. Market sheep are alway braced. Market goats are a 50/50 deal depend what state you are in and who the judge is. I never seen it done in a breeding class doesn't mean it not done I've just never seen it. To brace you put the bottom inside of your thigh in the animals chest and push. You want the animal to push back against you. You also want the head up and legs place right. It make the muscle hard and pop out more. Like when you flex your muscles. Here's a picture and more information. Shelly
    http://lambinators.homestead.com/brace.html
     
  16. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    thanks, the pictures where really helpful. interesting. thanks again. heres another showing question; when should i start teaching a kid to lead, pose, also how do i get the goat to keep alert during a show?
     
  17. farmgirls

    farmgirls New Member

    31
    Jul 28, 2008
    Did you get to show at the Nationals? How did it go? I went but just to watch this year. I would like to show our goat there in a few years, but I'll have to really work hard on my herd. My dad wants me to show next year, but MI to CA is pretty far! :sigh:
    Bethany
     
  18. FarmGirl18

    FarmGirl18 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Oklahoma
    Another Bethany on the forum!! Yay!! Welcome to The Goat Spot!! :)
     
  19. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    Yes I did get to go to Nationals. I only stayed and participated in the youth events and then went home. When we left I didn't know what the results were for the Judging and Management were. I didn't place in Showmanship or the Fitting Team. All I got was experience and I had fun. Then the other day I was looking at the Judging and Management results on ADGA's page...I was....wait for it.....2nd in the Jr. division! WOO HOO!
     
  20. farmgirls

    farmgirls New Member

    31
    Jul 28, 2008
    Oh that is way cool! What were some of the questions the judges asked you? What age division were you in? I watched intermediate. I knew a few of the "kids" out there and in fitting and showing.

    Bethany(oh this is too neat, another Bethany :cool: )I saw your blog, you have really nice goats. I got to see some of the Kastemers dairy goats. Did you know that they got the Grand Champion Senior and Junior Nubians, the Grand Champion junior and senior Lamancha does and Premier Breeder? I would have to say that is pretty good!

    Bethany