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Can’t get rid of these mites!! :,(

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#1 · (Edited)
I posted about this before and super appreciate all suggestions and help you guys have given!! I feel like I’m still at a loss though I don’t know what else to do for my poor girl :(
She is now almost completely bald and losing the rest of her hair bit by bit everyday.
I have treated her with ivermectin 3 times two weeks apart, been putting nu-stock on basically her entire body at least once a week as Tennessee meat goats website suggests, every second day I put a mixture of olive oil and coconut oil on her to moisturize and hopefully help suffocate the mites. It’s been getting down to -40C at night here so I have a heater on her which I’m sure is drying her skin out but I have to keep her warm cuz she has no fur :,(. )I gave her Replamin plus gel 2.5cc everyday for a week and now once a week to help give her a boost I’ve cleaned her bedding and sprinkled DE (all I can find around here) before putting new bedding down. How often would I change her bedding? How often can I treat her with the ivermectin?
What am I doing wrong?? How else do I help her?
I have the vet coming out again in two days just wondering if anyone on here has any ideas! Thank you so much again for everyone’s help from my first post!!!


Forgot to add I also have her on goat ration high protein feed and hay and I’ve checked her eyelids and they look a nice pink colour is there any other way to tell if she is anemic? She has normal amount of energy as far as I can tell but I haven’t let her out of her pen area since it’s so cold and I don’t want to have the other goats exposed to the mites...

Also sorry I still can’t really figure or how to post properly I know this should be in parasites topic but I couldn’t figure out how to do that :$
 
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#2 ·
I posted about this before and super appreciate all suggestions and help you guys have given!! I feel like I'm still at a loss though I don't know what else to do for my poor girl :(
She is now almost completely bald and losing the rest of her hair bit by bit everyday.
I have treated her with ivermectin 3 times two weeks apart, been putting nu-stock on basically her entire body at least once a week as Tennessee meat goats website suggests, every second day I put a mixture of olive oil and coconut oil on her to moisturize and hopefully help suffocate the mites. It's been getting down to -40C at night here so I have a heater on her which I'm sure is drying her skin out but I have to keep her warm cuz she has no fur :,(. )I gave her Replamin plus gel 2.5cc everyday for a week and now once a week to help give her a boost I've cleaned her bedding and sprinkled DE (all I can find around here) before putting new bedding down. How often would I change her bedding? How often can I treat her with the ivermectin?
What am I doing wrong?? How else do I help her?
I have the vet coming out again in two days just wondering if anyone on here has any ideas! Thank you so much again for everyone's help from my first post!!!

Forgot to add I also have her on goat ration high protein feed and hay and I've checked her eyelids and they look a nice pink colour is there any other way to tell if she is anemic? She has normal amount of energy as far as I can tell but I haven't let her out of her pen area since it's so cold and I don't want to have the other goats exposed to the mites...
Is there any kind of dust or spray with even if from the garden section? This stuff can be used on fruits and veggies there.... https://www.syngenta.ca/Productsdetail/Agri-mek_SC. It may work. Will your vet not suggest anything? Is she gettin and eatin a good loose mineral?
 
#5 ·
Ok awesome I will get some of that!! Well I hope he does when he comes out on Wednesday, he says possibly and autoimmune things but he can't really say much until he sees her condition now and just to use coconut oil to help her skin until he comes.
She gets RightNowMineral the bronze one and I give them emerald in the summer. She has it loose and I mix a small amount in her ration a couple times a week to make sure she's eating it because it doesn't look like she really eats it much on her own. Which is also why I'm giving her the Replamin plus just to make sure. I worry about over doing it too though but maybe I'm actually not giving enough?
 
#3 ·
You say all you can find is D.E. Can you find Sevin Dust anywhere?
Sevin Dust
https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=sevin

Are you able to feed her a clove or two of garlic per day? Chopped, Minced, etc. It has compounds that seem to move through the body and mites don't care for the change.

What minerals does she have available? Mineral deficiencies can cause skin conditions, baldness, low immune resistance to parasites, etc.

I don't know your other thread, so I don't know how old she is, etc. If my suggestions are inappropriate or already tried, I'm sorry.
 
#8 ·
No, I see you are doing all you can. Garlic may, or may not help, no way to know for certain. You are being super responsible.

I've used only the Onyx, because it is the only one in the U.S. to not have an antibiotic, but Right Now is pretty high quality. I often recommend Replamin. Not in every case, but often enough to indicate I regard it highly.

I'm sorry about suggesting things you can't get. Permethrin is considered organic in most of the U.S.

I think you are doing great. If this is the only goat affected... (please, PLEASE, don't take this badly)... you may just have to resolve to take her out of your herd. I've made that decision to not continue a goat's genetics.

Good luck. I really mean that.
 
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No, I see you are doing all you can. Garlic may, or may not help, no way to know for certain. You are being super responsible.

I've used only the Onyx, because it is the only one in the U.S. to not have an antibiotic, but Right Now is pretty high quality. I often recommend Replamin. Not in every case, but often enough to indicate I regard it highly.

I'm sorry about suggesting things you can't get. Permethrin is considered organic in most of the U.S.

I think you are doing great. If this is the only goat affected... (please, PLEASE, don't take this badly)... you may just have to resolve to take her out of your herd. I've made that decision to not continue a goat's genetics.

Good luck. I really mean that.
Thank you so much!! I will give the garlic everyday a shot since it can't hurt!
No worries it's frustrating to not have things available that here that could make a difference! Darn Canada :(
Yes the thought has crossed my mind :( she must be miserable as well I feel so bad for her. She wasn't handled very much by her previous owner so even before she started showing signs of mites (2 weeks after we got her, she is almost 2) she would run away while my other guys beg for cuddles so it's been hard to even get her to sit still to put all the lotions on her. I basically have to back her into a corner and after I get half her body covered she settles a bit, I imagine because it helps the itchy dry skin feeling but she just seems to be getting worse everyday. She always seems in good spirits though excited to eat etc I just want her to be healthy and happy :,(
thank you again for the help!!
 
#10 ·
Here is the original thread: https://www.thegoatspot.net/threads/hair-falling-out-large-scabs-with-mites.202245/#post-2195655

At this point, I would say that your veterinarians original diagnosis of Mites was incorrect. You said the vet guessed it was mites but no skin scraping was done to confirm correct?

Ask the vet to do a skin scrape to take back to their office and look under the microscope when they come.

After all your cleaning and treatment, it must be a hormonal issue or a mineral deficiency.

As the goat kidded recently?
 
#12 ·
Weird idea... One of the diaper rash ointments we have is zinc oxide. Zinc is important to skin. If you can apply zinc oxide ointment once a day, maybe that would help? I'd very much doubt she'd suffer a toxicity because oxide is not a very bioavailable form?

Whatever you decide to do, if you let us know what that is, and also let us know what your vet says, that would undoubtedly help future readers...

Totally selfish request I know. You want YOUR goat helped and that is understandable.
 
#19 ·
That doesn't look like an allergy to me. That looks like a zinc deficiency... But, I just don't know. COULD be mites...

Let us know what the vet says...

She looks so sweet. I'm sorry for her.
 
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#20 ·
Ok I've looked up zinc deficiency symptoms and I think that might be it!!! Or part of it at the very least if not the only issue(and no mites) she has the stance where she sort of tucks her back and holds her back legs together! I figured that was just because she was so itchy she couldn't get comfortable and obviously the major skin issues!!

Hopefully the vet will be able to tell me right away. I will let you know!
 
#21 ·
hmm ya, beginning around the eyes doesn't scream allergy. Did it get to the ears or ankles after that? Mites like ears and ankles and eyes! But zinc couldn't totally be it because it looks like it also began on her nose bridge . This is tough to pinpoint.

How much ivermectin did you give for each treatment? Injected subcutaneously right?
 
#23 ·
hmm ya, beginning around the eyes doesn't scream allergy. Did it get to the ears or ankles after that? Mites like ears and ankles and eyes! But zinc couldn't totally be it because it looks like it also began on her nose bridge . This is tough to pinpoint.

How much ivermectin did you give for each treatment? Injected subcutaneously right?
Yes went to the ankles and then ears, she used to be fine on her back but everyday it's moving it seems and like I said she is basically completely bald now [emoji22]
I used oral horse paste because that's what I had on hand and the feed store in my town was out of injectable and then I didn't know if I could give her the injection ivermectin for the next treatment when my feed store got it and the vet said to use oral paste for her...
 
#25 ·
If, and I do mean IF, a zinc deficiency ends up culpable, I offer the following. ZinPro does operate in Canada. I can find the representatives if you need them.

If Canadians start demanding mineral solutions, I do believe the gov't will respond. But it (gov't) doesn't know yet that is being demanded.

But I'm not saying this is zinc, only that's what it sounds like to me.

Garlic is excellent for immune system, as is zinc, and vitamin C. The immune system is vital for so much.

Thanks for sticking with us. We aren't trying to be frustrating.
 
#28 ·
Ok I will look up zinpro!! Thank you so much!! I will most likely have to order it but I'm sure whatever the vet says it will be good to get her some. I've just read somewhere mites and zinc deficiency can sometimes go hand in hand?

Thank you guys so much for the responses and suggestions! So glad I found this forum I dunno where I would be without it! This is the least frustrating part! Lol I feel hopefully with every new suggestion that something will help!!
 
#34 ·
Injectable Ivermectin is 1 cc per 40lbs. There are lb to kg calculators online, or I can find one for you.
needle size, 20 to 18 gauge?

DO NOT INJECT A POUR ON!!!!
Oh my goodness thank you so much!!! I feel awful I haven't even been treating her [emoji22] is one superior to the other?? (Injection vs pour on) is there a way to prevent this in the future??
 
#36 ·
Oh ok! So do you know what the difference between giving injectable orally and giving the paste orally is? Is the make up different? Both are ivermectin though correct? I think I would prefer to give it orally I don't see getting her to sit still enough for my inexperienced injection!
Thank you[emoji4]
 
#40 ·
Thank you everyone so much for taking the time to give me a hand in this!!! I hope to finally see a difference after actually treating her for mites which apparently I haven’t been doing even ☹ and giving her a little boost with zinc and continuing the Replamin plus gel and the nu-stock with zinc oxide diaper rash on the off days!!
 
#44 ·
We have been using the deep bedding method to help keeps things warm in the frigid Canadian temps, is this a bad idea? I've cleaned the bedding in her area many times but everyone else's only once since finding the mites since she would normally just wander around with everyone else so after putting her separate I cleaned the bedding but have since been doing the deep bedding.
How separate is her stall to everyone else? Mites can and will travel all over wood anything. If you go into her stall a d into another or even brush another animal and have a few on you they can transfer. :/. Have you gone lookin at night in the stalls and on the animals? That is when they are most active. I am NOT sayin you are not doin everything you can here. So please dont take it that way hon. You are doin great with the info you have been given and are doin your best for your lil lady! I jus dont want your others to get them too if it is mites. ;(. Were it me i would be batty by now lol.
 
#46 ·
Just a thought. Have you called a pest control company to find out what they have and would use? It may be a good idea to call around and get either a bunch of information or prices for treatment.
 
#48 ·
How about a couple drops of tea tree oil in the lotions you're using or oil of clove? Both are very good repellents. I know I use whole cloves in window and door jams and don't get ants anymore ever. Tea tree oil works in shampoo for lice I used it on my doe last fall and they were gone in no time flat, I repeated every 5 days for 15 days so whatever eggs that hatched also were gone I haven't seen a louse since.
 
#52 ·
After a barn fire years ago (due to a heat lamp) I don't use them anymore. Do you have old sweatshirts? I chop off the sleeves and use those for the newborns and use the body for an adult goat, when needed. I have one goat right now that is very skinny (due to a brown recluse bite in 2016- she has never fully recovered from) She has 3 of these sweatshirt vests on her right now and she is toasty warm and it has been getting really cold here. Using them on the babies, I notice that they are growing much faster than before. As for the "nasty stuff" you may want to try DMSO with the clove, it is a carrier and will take the clove into the skin where these little buggers live ( bye bye suckers). Also you may want to try blackseed oil, Echinacea and goldenseal for immune support. good luck.
 
#58 ·
I do have a dog jacket that I put on her occasionally but she just seems so much more uncomfortable and I've tried sweaters but she won't lay down when she is wearing them ☹ I put it on her when it was warmer and she had more hair and she could go outside but I don't let her outside at all now..
What is DMSO? Lol I've never heard of it?
Ok I have some black oil sunflower seeds at home I can give her right away, would this have the same benefit as black seed oil? I'll have to find the rest of those items!
 
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