I'm so frustrated! I got 2 new goats from VA (I'm in CA) in mid September and fecal test 9/25 showed Isabella with Coccidia >30,000 Trichostongyle 2500 eggs/g. Emmie with Coccidia 1750 eggs/g. I've had them in quarantine from my other goats, cleaning their pen a lot, and the following:
9/25 - Isabella was treated with Toltrazuril, Ivomec and Safeguard.
9/25 - Emmie treated with Tolturazil.
10/21 - repeat fecal showed strong Coccidia in both and Trichs also in Isabella.
10/22 - repeat above treatment on both, Tolturazil, Ivomec and Safegaurd to Isabella. Tolturazil to Emmie.
Both get Probiotics daily.
10/31 - repeat Tolturazil, Ivomec and Safegaurd to Isabella. Tolturazil to Emmie.
11/11 - repeat Tolturazil, Ivomec and Safegaurd to Isabella. Tolturazil to Emmie.
12/1 - repeat fecal still shows Isabella with Coccidia 7850 eggs/g, Trichs 450 eggs/g. Emmie has Coccidia 7900 eggs/g.
Obviously, I'm not going to use Tolturazil again. It has worked for me in the past as a one-shot treatment! Should I get my vet involved ($$$) or should I just try another medication?
I've never had this before. By the way, neither one of them have any symptoms. You would never know by looking at them that they have parasites. The labs have been done by UC Davis, a respected lab.
I wish! I haven't found something they ALL like yet. I need to experiment with the 2 new does who are quarantined with parasites to see... I will start working on that! My other 5 goats are very opinionated on what they do/don't like and it's been hard to find something they will ALL do anything for. I can work on that more too. One likes canned pumpkin, rest don't... none go for molasses.
If you're going the herbal route, Oregano (greek, not the one from Mexico) and Thyme are great for coccidia. You can get them from herbco.com for a good price (shipping is expensive though). Try mixing them with flour and molasses to make a firm dough ball that is like a treat. You'll need to give each goat about a tablespoon of herb a day at least until it's under control. I've also tried crushed garlic mixed with molasses water and drenched, which worked.
Still Battling. I treated Isabella & Emmie with 5 days of CoRid, and Isabella also got 2 cc Ivomec on 12/4 and 12/14. I got the Fir Meadow Herbs after finishing CoRid, and treated both with 5 days of herb mixes - DWA and Soother (dosed with honey!)
Then I had a fecal test redone, 7 days after completing CoRid:
Isabella went from Coccidia 7850, Trich 450 on 12/2, to Coccidia 39,650, Trich 600 on 12/15. (she may be pregnant)
Emmie went from Coccidia 7900 on 12/2, to Coccidia 7050 on 12/15.
Suggestions?
Usually it takes at least 10.days to 2 weeks for the total effects of corid to work. 1 week you would be in the middle of the cleaning. I have no idea about the natural route. I only do that on humans.
Have you given them copper for help with.parasite resistance. Also garlic & B complex 10 days after Corid.
Are the goats in a dry lot or small area. Barberpoll can thrive in a small area and keep reinfecting the goats.
Thank you for your time! I was told by another person who has done Famacha training and updating this year too, that 7-10 days was an okay time to retest after CoRid. They have had copper. They got B+ after CoRid. They are in a dry lot, small area (quarantine). I have never had parasite issues like this before. Barberpoll is not showing up on any of the fecal tests.
It looks like I need to try Sulfamethoxine next (generic Albon) if I am going to do more medications.
Fir Meadows has given me a heavy duty protocol for every 2 hours the 1st day, reducing gradually after that. It turns out that using honey to make herb balls, they love them, so that makes it a lot easier!
I'm writing again here to see what opinions folks have regarding what should I do next to wipe out the parasite problem in these 2 goats. I am doing the Fir Meadows herbs protocol, but wonder about the medication route - or did I truly retest too early?
I'm confused with different instructions from different folks. I was told I could retest at 7-10 days after finishing CoRid, so I retested at 7 days and it showed one goat with an explosion of Coccidia and the other with an only slightly less amount. But maybe 7 days was too soon? If that's the case, should I retest again at 2 weeks post CoRid?
It was done by UC Davis in CA, a well respected lab. Someone here thought I retested too soon, 7 days after last day of CoRid, would that be a reason why the one doe's count exploded from 7900 before CoRid to 39,000 after CoRid?
Acute Dosing: Double dose. Day 1-2: Every 2 hours for 24 h (not during night). Day 3-4 days 4x a day. Day 5-8 days 3x a day. Then 1x a day for 2 wks. We are on Day 3 now.
Thank you. Day 8 is Christmas, so it would be day 11. I wondered if you have ever treated a persistent large infestation similar to this with just herbals? It's hard to know what to do, just do the herbals and see? Or in addition, contact my vet for prescription big gun dewormers?
Hi Tami, thanks for your note. It was a very long drawn out treatment & repeated testing. I think the herbs helped. I kept a spreadsheet due to the repeated treatments & testing for Isabella & Emmie, who came to me in September 2020 with coccidia/trichostrongyles. Initially after the herbal treatments, her counts went up. After another month of herbals, her counts went down significantly (plus she had twins in this time). After another month, counts went up a bit. Through all this time the only symptom of parasites was clumpy poop, which finally went away completely. My vet & the lab suspected she had a nonpathogenic type of coccidia, which the fecal test could not identify. She's been fine since Spring 2021.
@laurelsh ..Hi could you explain the nonpathogenic type of Coccida? Ive not known of any that could not be detected by a fecal? Do they detect it by blood, or tissue? Did they explain?. I would love to learn about this if you dont mind shareing.
The lab explained to my vet that there is a strain of nonpathogenic coccidia, but they do not have a way of identifying the strains of coccidia, just if it is there or not. So my vet was advising if the animal isn't sick, don't medicate. I did the herbal treatment anyway. But my animal was not ill at all. All she had was clumpy poop and that finally cleared up after many months. It is puzzling for sure.
Laurelsh:
Thanks for responding. I’m glad all is well with your goats now. I have a couple of wethers that have 1100 and 1400 cocci counts. No symptoms. But I don’t like numbers above 500. I gave both of them a dose yesterday of dimethox 12.5% yesterday. One of them did not handle it well at all. So I’m considering buying land of havilah dewormer and just giving higher dose of it for awhile. I’m going to email land of havilah about this too.
I test my animals twice or more a year. And then only worm those animals higher than 500 count typically. My animals tend to be pretty healthy.
Laurelsh:
Thanks for responding. I’m glad all is well with your goats now. I have a couple of wethers that have 1100 and 1400 cocci counts. No symptoms. But I don’t like numbers above 500. I gave both of them a dose yesterday of dimethox 12.5% yesterday. One of them did not handle it well at all. So I’m considering buying land of havilah dewormer and just giving higher dose of it for awhile. I’m going to email land of havilah about this too.
I test my animals twice or more a year. And then only worm those animals higher than 500 count typically. My animals tend to be pretty healthy.
Sorry about your wether... Land of Havilah has a protocol of high dosing, then gradually reducing. She will share it with you.
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