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Is she dilated...uterine infection, LA-200 dosage?

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I just got this doe, so I'm still unfamiliar enough with her behaviors to be able to tell for sure what I'm looking at. Her due date is Tuesday, March 2nd, but I thought she might be going into labor last night. This morning, ligs are gone, so far as I can tell. She's hollowed out, udder is full. She's doing a lot of panting and yawning and some teeth grinding, mostly when she's lying down, as I think the babies are putting a lot of pressure on her.
She seemed so uncomfortable that I just did an internal check on her, but have never done it before, so not sure what I'm feeling for. I was able to get 2 fingers in as far as they would go, quite easily. So probably 3 inches. I THINK I may have felt the cervix, which I was able to put my fingers through easily. I'm assuming that means she's dilating but not quite there yet, as I can still feel the cervix. Does that sound right to you more experienced folks?
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#32 ·
Here they are! It was a bit of a rough delivery, primarily because I've never had to go in and assist before...but I think I'll be better at it next time. :) Both kids are active and taking the bottle. The lighter one is the doeling, the dark one the buckling.
Sil is hanging in there. She is holding on to the placenta longer than I'd like, but it was starting to release more when I was just out there giving the kids their bottles. I gave her some banamine and preparation h rubbed on her backside, and having the pain managed has really perked her up. I've been milking her throughout the day to help stimulate contractions, and pasteurizing the colostrum to feed the kids. It is SO. MUCH. WORK! My hat goes off to all of you who do this regularly!
Sil still is just picking at her food, but at least she is picking. She is pooping frequently, so I know she has to at least be getting something. I hope that continuing to manage her pain levels will help her to feel like eating. She's got three different kinds of hay, feed, and whatever wild leafy stuff I could find in front of her, and she takes little nibbles of everything.
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This poor goat! Ended up with a uterine infection. The vet who had been treating her was on vacation, so I had to call around and find a different vet. They cleaned her uterus out, then started her on LA-200. I think the Nuflor was suppressing her appetite. She looked a little more perky for a few days and was eating a little better...still nowhere near normal...but last night, she was looking draggy again. The dosage the vet gave me for the LA-200 is 5ml. IM every 72 hours. This is for a 100-ish lb. goat, though I'm sure she weighs less than that now, since she is very thin from being off feed. As I've read through threads on here, I think that dosage may not be right. I don't have a relationship with this vet...she was simply the only one available when my goat had a 104.9 fever and looked like she was dying. My doe's temp. has consistently been below 103 ever since we began this new treatment, so I feel that the infection is at least not getting worse, although she obviously feels awful. I am just wondering if I need to call the vet back and discuss adjusting the dosage or...? I feel so sorry for this poor goat. She has been through the wringer.
 
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I should add, I have been so busy with the kids that I haven't pursued some of the suggestions you all had shared for getting Sil to eat. I am going to try some canned pumpkin and dark beer today, to see if those will help. She had been nibbling hay, but last night, she wouldn't. The wild roses are leafing out here, so I cut some branches and offered those. She did eat several. She had not been drinking, so I offered warm electrolyte water, and she drank a good bit...I can tell that she just doesn't not feel well. I am giving daily probiotics and b-complex. I quit using the Dyne yesterday, as she was having very soft poops and I thought it might be bothering her. I drenched with molasses, instead, to still give her some energy. I have been giving vit. C powder, garlic powder, and herbs daily in a drench, but gave the vit. C and garlic a rest yesterday as, again, I thought they might be bothering her.
 
#37 · (Edited)
I’d do pen g for the infection 1cc per 20lbs twice a day for 5 days. It works well. (Same dose but once a day for the long lasting) LA 200 stings and is rough on the rumen.
You might want to check her FAMACHA for a worm bloom. Is she moping since you pulled the kids? That can drag her down too.
I’d also keep up the vitamin b it’ll help with her appetite and give probios in between pen g doses for tummy upset.
I hope she feels better!

EDIT: I just remembered...DO NOT give LA200 IM, it destroys muscle!
 
#42 ·
You might want to check her FAMACHA for a worm bloom. Is she moping since you pulled the kids? That can drag her down too.
Her FAMACHA is, thankfully, one of the few things that does look good. Thanks for the reminder!
I wondered about her moping over the kids...she doesn't seem too distressed that they aren't with her. She had never kidded before, so I think maybe she's not as upset over 'losing' her kids as some of my other does would be. Since the weather has been wet, the kids spend a lot of time in their temporary pen, which is right outside of her stall. She can see them, and does visit them when I turn her loose to wander around the barn and get some exercise. But she doesn't seem distraught over not having them with her
 
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Thanks, everyone! I decided to switch her to penicillin. Tonight would have been her next dose of LA-200, and if it's really messing with her as badly as I think it might be, I decided it would be safer to switch. I'm willing to try anything at this point, as she's not going to make it if she continues as she has been. She did seem brighter this evening. Not eating much at all, but she has pooped and peed. I can't hear rumen sounds when I listen, but I'm going to keep on drenching with the dark beer, as that seemed to help. How often can I do that, and how much should I give each time? I'll keep her on the probiotics and b complex. Temp. was still good. She did nibble some grass this afternoon, which was encouraging. I forced her out of the barn to get some sunshine, and she actually stayed out of her own accord for a while. I would like to find some pine for her, but I will have to scout around. All our pine trees are too tall for me to reach the branches. I'll try to get out tomorrow and see what I can get for her. She refuses most foods unless they're hay or forage of some kind. She was eating crackers for a while, but quit on those. Seems like she'll eat something a few times, then decide she doesn't want it anymore.
 
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Goats like cypress limbs also, and the trees grow really fast. This fall I planted 3 of them just to use for goat browse. The trees are nearly my height already. I sometimes go to prune pine limbs along a stretch of railroad tracks about 6 miles from here. There is quite an abundant area, much like a thicket, of various sizes of pine trees without any houses or farms close by. I cut enough for a days ration each time I go. Stocking up enough for a couple of days didn't work out so well though. Mine would rather do without or half way pick over my offering than to eat pine that had lost it's just cut freshness.
 
#46 ·
Can I give banamine (I actually have a product called Prevail, but I think it's the same ingredients as banamine) while doing the beer drenches? I think she is in pain...grinding her teeth and heavy breathing. I know some painkillers and alcohol shouldn't be used together in people, but I'm not sure about goats.
 
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#47 ·
Do you have the injectable Prevail or the paste?

Of course, Banamine is a fantastic idea to improve her appetite. I'm so sorry I didn't think to recommend it sooner.

The injectable is 1mL per 100lbs subcutaneous. However, I don't have the answer about doing it at the same time as beer drenches.
 
#48 ·
Do you have the injectable Prevail or the paste?

Of course, Banamine is a fantastic idea to improve her appetite. I'm so sorry I didn't think to recommend it sooner.

The injectable is 1mL per 100lbs subcutaneous. However, I don't have the answer about doing it at the same time as beer drenches.
It's injectable. Thanks for the dosage. Hoping someone will chime in on the possible beer interaction...don't want to create even more problems for the poor thing.
 
#51 ·
Banamine is like Advil, it's a non-steroidal anti inflammatory. The warning is more for a narcoticS because of the sedation effect. I have given a dose of banamine with beer before with no bad effects.
Great! Thank you. I will give her a shot of that, then, and I hope it will help her feel more like eating.
 
#52 ·
I agree..beer and banamine together is fine. ..
 
#54 ·
If she seems to perk up a few hours after the injection, you could consider giving her half a dose every 12 hours just for 2 days and that may be more beneficial for her to get that rumen going and feel better. I'd stick with the full dosage for the first injection and wait 24 hours before any more.
 
#55 ·
Thanks for all the help. I gave the banamine about an hour and a half ago...hoping she'll eat at least a little something. I've got a variety of options in front of her. She had a bit of a snotty nose this morning. First time I've seen that in a couple weeks. I hope the pneumonia isn't coming back. Her temp was fine, 101.8 this morning, but now that she's got the banamine in her system, I may not notice a fever right away. I've still got the LA-200 if I have to start giving it again...but I would rather not.
 
#59 ·
You'd want excede, nuflor or draxxin for pneumonia. They're RX you can use Tylan 200 it's OTC but not quite as good.
Pen g isn't great for it sadly, but it is good for uterine infections. If she's not showing symptoms you should be ok. Are you using shavings or straw? Shavings are much less dusty.
I hope that helps a little.
Thanks! I may switch to shavings, just for her. I have been using hay as bedding, actually. It's cheaper to buy grass hay than to buy straw. I'm hoping the snotty nose was just because of urine in the bedding. It's dry now, so she'll hopefully be good. She did have snot again tonight, but just a little bit.
She ate really well tonight! Pretty much cleaned up the foliage I gathered for her, then followed me into the back yard, where she grazed for probably 15 min. or more. I am so thankful! I'm just going to keep on with what I'm doing and pray and hope for a recovery.
 
#60 ·
Put PDZ under the bedding and it will really reduce urine odor. You can get it at TSC in the horse area. It really works well. Sprinkle a thin layer, then top with the shavings. Every day just scoop the wet spots with a dust pan resprinkle the PDZ, put more Shavings over the spot and you’re golden. Then once a week do a complete clean to get all the poo out.
I do this and it’s easy quick and works great.
 
#61 ·
Put PDZ under the bedding and it will really reduce urine odor. You can get it at TSC in the horse area. It really works well. Sprinkle a thin layer, then top with the shavings. Every day just scoop the wet spots with a dust pan resprinkle the PDZ, put more Shavings over the spot and you're golden. Then once a week do a complete clean to get all the poo out.
I do this and it's easy quick and works great.
Thanks! I'll give it a shot!
 
#64 ·
She's still eating! Temp has been normal every time I've checked today. Her nose has been clear, a little bit of watery stuff, but not the thick snot I'd been seeing before. She is definitely more alert and eager to walk around. The weather today was pretty chilly and damp, so she didn't go outside much, but did wander around the barn and chew on the corn broom. :) It's getting harder to give her shots and drench her, which is always an encouraging sign. We're definitely not out of the woods yet, but I'm encouraged. She is clearly feeling better. I did give her .5 ml of banamine again today. I'll see if she looks like she needs it again tomorrow.
 

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