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Joy Kidded! Baby pics added

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#1 ·
I'm just so excited that I wanted to start her a kidding thread. She was confirmed pregnant through bio-tracking. I figured that I would update through her pregnancy. She is now 82 days bred and I think looking good. I cant waite to see what she has, doe or buck probably going to keep. She has really nice bloodlines, her father is a full brother to Buttin'Heads Wedding Song. With like Creek Road Hudson +S and Buttin'Heads Brydedal Veil 2*D. So some really nice goats and hoping she has really nice baby/babies. But if they are healthy and ok I will be satisfied. So here are some pics of her right at this moment and one of the father to be.


 
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#79 ·
They are really cute! Congrats! And love the moon spots!

I had a friend with a doe that acted kind of like that, she actually kept pushing thinking there was another kid in there and wouldn't stand or eat, the next day she was a lot better. Hopefully your doe will start feeling better, I agree though that her back side looks normal. Keep us posted.
 
#80 ·
Thats what she is doing is pushing like she has another kid in there. So a long time breeder friend recommended I give her a shot of lute in case she did still have something else in there. I feel like I have been a bad goat momma. I feel like I have let this goat down. Will any of this medicine hurt the kids when they drink from her. Should I just go ahead and pull these babies and bottle feed them. Im lost and feel like im doing everything wrong. I just dont know what to do or think at this point. Thanks
 
#81 ·
Don't know about the lute, we do use it alot at my clinic, and the babies always go to nursing right after, so it must be alright..
I must tell you though..I always always feel like a total and complete bad person when there is ever a problem with my goats..I am fairly new to goats (5yrs) and hate to be home with kiddings, would rather be off working while my 13 yr old calmly collectively takes care of the situation while I am very far away!! It sounds like you did a wonderful job at taking good care of your doe, before, during, and after the kidding...you have to expect problems, and go with it..it is what it is...and you are doing fine..pat yourself a few times on your back, then give yourself a huge break... :wink:
Oh, and ps...you did have a special blessing with those awesome babies!! Whith moon dots of all things!!! :greengrin:
 
#82 ·
Joanie -- is she laying there grunting? did she pass all of the afterbirth? Have you tried going in again to see if there is another kid? (yes another kid can be in there even if she expelled the afterbirth)

Sometimes you will notice small contractions as the uterus shrinks back -- but if she is in pain I would be concerned.

is she eating yet?

the nutri drench is all natural -- safe for the kiddos

the penicillin wont hurt the kids either

B complex is a vitamine - not harmful to the kids. She will pee out any extra so you cant Over dose her on it.

Calcium is safe as well.


So no you arent giving anything that will harm the kids

I am always out of sorts when something doesnt go as planned. I am usualy on the phone with Ashley (RunAround) at that point asking her silly questions and jsut needing the reasurance I am doing the right thing and all I can.

I REALLY suggest you get a temperature on your doe --- if she has an infection setting in, her uterus is torn etc you will want to be on top of it ASAP.

Chances are she is fine but being aware is very important.

Again what I would do if she is still down and not getting up without your prodding

1) take her temp
2) calcium supplement
3) nutri drench
4) selenium gel or BoSe injection
5) B Complex shot or human tablets

and of course make sure you keep up the penicillin for at least 5-7 days
 
#83 ·
I am so sorry you are going through this. And you are far from being a bad goat mom. Sometimes these things happen, and you are here seeking help for her. You are trying and that is all you can do. :wink:
I am not so sure I would give this doe lutalyse quite yet if at all. I don't think this doe should be pushing right nowas it will cause her to 'abort' anything in there. It is always possible she has a torn uterus. If so this could make things worse. She will bleed out quickly. Is she bleeding and if so is it heavy? Is the blood bright red? Is she is dire pain? If so you need to seek a vet. She may have been torn inside from the traumatic delivery.
If she is not bleeding any unusual amount or it is does not look like "fresh" blood. Then she may not have any internal injuries at all. Lets hope not.
So then I would do as Stacey recommended. She gave you very good advice!
Also if giving Antibiotics offer her probios. After all the stress and meds she will need to reflorish her rumen with the "good" bacteria. And make sure she is drinking. If even it is warm molassis water. The molassis will help build her iron levels up. To get her to eat, try making her warm oatmeal. That is what I got my doe to eat for the first time after her C-Section. Worked like a charm.
Good luck and I hope this is nothing more than an extremely tired momma after a very hard kidding!
:hug:
 
#84 ·
Now I feel really awfull. Cause I already gave her the lute. Now im scared to death, no I dont think my friend made sure there wasnt anymore in there. My problem also is there is no good goat vets around here nobody wants to mess with them. I will keep doing what I can for her and hope the lute doesnt kill her. Maybe she did get tore inside and now I will cause her to bleed out. I dont think she is was bleeding anything abnormal but I havnt had enough goat births to know that for sure. I will do all that was suggested and hope that I can save her, but I may have already gave her, her death sentence for doing something so stupid. Thanks for your help.
 
#85 ·
You are doing nothing but good for Joy, the lute won't hurt the kids either as it is only hormones.

Make her some oatmeal, mine like the old fashioned oats but the quick cooking oats work just as well...mix a bit of mollasses into them and offer them to her. If she is bleeding out, bright red then she likely did suffer a tear and there is really nothing that can be done for her. Continue with the nutridrench, B complex and probiotics and penicillan, get her to stand and walk and keep getting those babies to nurse.

I went through this very same think 2 years ago, so I do know how awful you feel......like it is your fault. Believe me,you did what needed to be done and having the support you do really helps. At the time when I needed help, I had no one, TGS wasn't here and like you I enlisted the help of a neighbor. I know now what I could have done to save my doe and her babies and though it still hurts, I also know that it is part of raising goats and a learning experience.

Easier said than done, but don't beat yourself up over doing what had to be done, if you had done nothing at all the outcome would have been much worse. You have 2 healthy kids that momma knows she needs to care for, keeping them with her is best for the moment, taking them away now will cause her stress.
I am so sorry that you can't find a vet in the area that will care for goats, it took alot of phone calls from me to find the 2 that I now deal with.
 
#87 ·
Now listen, whatever happens to this doe will not be your fault. You are out there with her trying your best. Things happen and the most you can do under circumstances like this one, is try. And you are trying. So please remember that. :hug:

Now more than likely she does not have a torn uterus if you do not see heavy bleeding, or bright red fresh blood. So the lute is not going to kill her. If you ever need to use anything to "clean her out" after kidding due to the possibility of another kid or a retained placenta, maybe try Oxytocin over Lutalyse. I agree with helmstead on the use of the Oxytocin and the uterine antibiotic flush. But again if her uterus was torn, the Oxytocin would have caused her to push as if contracting having her bleed out as well. So there is no win-win solution here. If her uterus was torn or other internal bleeding it is not a good prognosis either way. So it would not have been YOU that killed her. It would have been the injuries in itself.

But I think you would know by now if it was that severe. Apparently it is not. She is still with you. Liz is right, get her to eat something. Oatmeal w/ molassis. Keep trying. And pick her some leaves and keep offering her those. The Vit. B should be stimulating her appetite. She will want to eat soon if she is only exhausted and sore from the birthing.

BTW, what is this does temperature? That will give you an idea what is going on. If it is high she has an infection setting in. If it is low, a sign of low blood pressure from bleeding or that her rumen is shutting down. Knowing her temp would really help.

Keep up the good job, and don't give up on her or blame yourself. You have did nothing wrong. Not even by giving her the Lute. Hey the Lute may clean out whatever was/is causing this. Offer her hay, leaves, oatmeal wet and dry, mollasis, and the meds that Stacey suggested.
You may want to place a cool compress on her vulva area for some relief and comfort.

She is still here, so it may be nothing more than a tired girl you have on your hands. Give her a hug and try and enjoy those babies, they are beautiful. :hug:
 
#88 ·
Thanks you all so much for all your kind words. I am almost in tears cause people who dont even know me is so willing to help me. You people are the best. I checked on the babies and they where acting like they where starved to death so I had some goat milk that I warmed up and gave them about two onces a piece. Then went about my chores and then guess what I come back and she is standing up feeding them. So that made me laugh, I thought them little buggers their getting it twice. I will try the oatmeal and see if she will eat that. I will keep up the anitibotics and vit. b shots and nutridrench which she loves. I will keep trying to entice her. I told the Lord I know that I probably dont pray like I should but to please hear my prayer and touch my doe. I so dont want to lose her.

I just wanted to ask to I probably should never breed her again right. Are do you think I should try again and see what happens. My husband says I shouldnt, so im not sure on what I should do about that. Thanks again for all your help.
 
#89 ·
Yea!!! :leap: She is getting up and feeding her babies! :leap: That is a very good sign of things to come. Keep up the great job!!! :hug:
As for breeding her again, only time will tell. It could have been a fluke, just a mispositioned baby, or overly large buck. So it's hard to say. It may never happen again, or she could be one of those that just has birthing problems for some unknown reason. Hard to say.
Just do what you think is right for this doe once this is in the past, you wll be more clear thinking about it. :thumbup:
 
#90 ·
Ok this has to be a good sign she is starting to nibble at hay. She is getting up more to feed babies and she is starting to act like she is cleaning them some. I made her oatmeal and she nibbled at that to. I gave her more nutridrench and she drank two squirts real good. I also gave her a tums. Here in a a little bit going to give her, her anitbotic shot and vit. b shot. I dont think she has much milk cause she isnt eating much so im going to let them drink off her and bottle feed them a few times a day just to make sure they are getting enough. Thanks for all the help I have gotten off here you just dont know how much it means to me. I hope this means she is on the road to recovery.
 
#92 ·
She is well on the road to recovery, standing on her own and wanting to eat are wonderful signs :leap:

She will have enough milk for her babies, you don't want them too full from the bottle so that they don't nurse mom, the demand on her from the babies is what will have her make more. Keep up the antibiotic and the molasses water, as well as the probiotics.

As far as breeding her again....don't make a decision in haste, she's just kidded, and the chance that this happened because the kid was too big does not mean it will happen again, you have a good while before you need to make a life decision for Joy.
 
#93 ·
Yea I will not breed her again untill Oct. 2010 anyways even if I do. So I know i got plenty of time to make this decsion. I dont think I over fed her to make the babies to big. I dont over grain my goats at all. The babies where small I thought but I didnt weigh them so im not sure. But I will keep letting them suck and hopefully that will help her milk to come down, the only thing I was worried about is if she doesnt start eating good wont she dry up. I mean dont they have to drink and eat to produce enough milk. Thanks again for all the help.
 
#95 ·
her milk will come in with the demand for it -- so keep the kids on her. Like I said before I had a doe do this on me -- not eating and almost no milk for 3 days then suddenly she was normal and had plenty of milk.

Just keep enticing her and she will bounce back :thumb:
 
#96 ·
Well update I had to go ahead and pull the babies, she is milking blood in one side and the other side is milk but not much. At this point I just want to do what is best for the babies and mom. I will keep up my treatment for mom and do warm compresses and milk out some of the blood in her udder. I put her back with the other does and she seems so much happier now. As soon as I put her back with them she starting eating and drinking good. She is hurting so bad and such a bad experience for her that she doesnt even seem to care that she doesnt have her babies. They miss her but I know that will soon pass. But I will try to keep everyone updated thanks.
 
#98 ·
Congratulations on you first babies!! I had my first in July. It's scary but such a wonderful experience to see new life. Enjoy the little ones they grow fast!

I had a similar situation back in July with my second doe to kid. Her back end looked way worse than your doe. I put witch hazel on the swelling. It seemed to work great. It took mine a good week before she was eating normally and moving without pain. I take the blame for her hard kidding. I over fed and the doe was fat. I am just thankful that I didn't lose mama or baby. I am super careful what my pregnant does get to eat now.
 
#100 ·
JUST wanted to update that my doe joy had to be put down. I thought she might have had mastitis, but she had internal bleeding. She was bleeding out. The babies where pulled wrong by my neighbor and caused internal problems. Im really sad and its been rough, to top it off I fell and broke my wrist Sat. and it isnt a simple break I have to have surgery on it. So im having a real hard time doing anything at all. I have two bottle babies to feed five times aday so things are hard right now.

Babies are doing good and growing good, they are beautiful. Im going to keep the doe but sell the little boy. IM going to name the little girl WGF Moonlight Miracle. They are my little miracles.
 
#101 ·
I am so sorry about your doe and your wrist. Seems bad things like to pile up on top of each other. Internal bleeding would not have caused her to milk blood, mastitis would have caused that. :hug:
 
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