2 week old boer does with diarreah

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by cjpup, Apr 6, 2008.

  1. cjpup

    cjpup New Member

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    Dec 1, 2007
    TX
    Hello,

    I just got 2 boer doelings on wednesday. They were born 3/25/08. They have had liquid yellow diarreah since yesterday. They are bottle babies but the man we got them from was feeding them the same milk replacer we are feeding them.

    He is not as hands on as we are so he didnt know if they had diarreah before we got them. He only fed them 8 oz 4 times a day and his ranch was 10 min. from his house so he would only be there for a few minutes. When we got the does, they seemed absolutely starved! So we uped the milk. They are getting about 10-12 oz 4 times a day. They have not learned to stop when full yet so we make sure they are not eating too much.

    Yesterday we fed at 2 pm (ate fine), then we tried to feed them at 4:30 because we were goign to a birthday party (of course, neither wanted it) we tried to feed again at 10 pm when we got home (one doe ate about 12 oz and the other does only ate about 5 and had to be "forced" to drink that much). THios morning, they were fed at about 8 am, the doe who ate the 12 oz at 10pm did not want to eat at all but my mom forced her 4 oz.

    Are they not wanting to eat because their stomachs are hurting? Is it ok to give a 2 week old kid some pepto? if so, how much? Any other suggestings would be great!!!

    CJ
     
  2. cjpup

    cjpup New Member

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    Dec 1, 2007
    TX
    Can I give them some pepto? whats the dose?

    CJ
     

  3. RunAround

    RunAround New Member

    Feb 17, 2008
    Massachusetts
    I think you can give about 2cc to 3cc for them. I have given that much to my ND kids depending on how bad the scours are. You can also try giving some probios or yogurt to help get their tummys straightened out.
     
  4. fritzie

    fritzie New Member

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    Oct 6, 2007
    TENN
    i usually give them 3cc of pepto mixed with 3cc of nutra drench. i have alpines & i only feed them 12oz three times a day & they are all nice & fat. you just might have givin them more than they are use to
     
  5. enjoytheride

    enjoytheride New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Humboldt Co Ca
    Too much milk replacer can cause enterotoxemia. Kids always seem to be starving no matter how much they get. What you're feeding doesn't seem that out of line but maybe increased too fast.
    I give pepto at tthe rate of 3-5 cc's to kids without having seen any problem.
     
  6. cjpup

    cjpup New Member

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    Dec 1, 2007
    TX
    My mom made a revelation today!!! We normally have pygmy kids and had been mixing the milk replacer accoirding to the back of the bucket for pygmy kids. I just looked and the directions for a boer kid is about a half cup different per liter than that of the pygmies. A half cup less! I think this may be contributing and we switched to the right dilution (is that a word?) today. I think I will give it another day or 2 for them to reregulate.

    THANKS!!
    CJ
     
  7. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    the mixture rate is very important. glad you mother thought of it and I hope it is the solution.

    yes you can give them pepto but you have ot be careul with young kids as it can make them constipated quickly
     
  8. enjoytheride

    enjoytheride New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Humboldt Co Ca
    Wow- pygmies take a more concentrated solution than Boers- who'd a thought. Good catch on that- I hope they improve but watch for bloat- that's what seem to happen if they get too much replacer- they can't digest it that well and it sits in their stomach fermenting gas.
     
  9. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    Wow I never knew different breeds required a different measure of milk replacer. Evidently it does make a difference. Keep an eye on them and give them some pepto.
     
  10. cjpup

    cjpup New Member

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    Dec 1, 2007
    TX
    ok, new symptom! The doe that doesnt eat regularly has developed whitish foamy poop. But she ate about 10 oz just now. T5he other doe seems to have more formed poop. Whjat cxould be causing the whitish pooh though?

    CJ
     
  11. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Foamy poop? To me this would indicate a "gas" pocket and should clear out with her intake.
     
  12. goatheaven

    goatheaven New Member

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    Oct 18, 2007
    South Carolina
    We just had to take back a couple of bottle babies and they had diarrhea as well. We feed them 8oz. of milk replacer three times a day and put in 1/2 cc of liquid sulmet in the bottle and some probios powder. The diarrhea stopped by the next morning. I put probios powder in their bottle everyday and I usually don't get diarrhea. Hope that helps.
     
  13. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    whitish color means ecoli usually. I would give them a dose of scour halt.
     
  14. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Do you know if the mom got her CDT before the kids were born? They could be coming down with enterotoxemia. Be careful that you are not over feeding them. That will kill them faster then the poops.
     
  15. cjpup

    cjpup New Member

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    Dec 1, 2007
    TX
    I think she did. Let me tell you the back story:

    We got these does from a Boer goat (farmer) that breeds them for production (meat). We had purchased a buckling from him (also a bottle baby) about 6 months ago. Anyway, the man was out of town when the doe gave birth and had a ranch hand come to check on them and feed every morning. THe morning the man was coming home, he told the ranch hand not to come because he would be home at noon-ish to feed. THat morning is when the doe gave birth. When the man got home, he found 2 live does and a dead kid and the mom. The mom didnt seem to be doing well so he seperated her in a birthing pen with the 2 live kids. The kids had nursed out ALL of her milk and colostrum. The mom died a bit later and the does were taken for bottleing. He was not sure how much colosturm the does had gotten and did not give them any when he took them for bottle feeding. We got them at a week and a half. We did give them one dose of colostrum (I knew it probably wouldnt help any but it made me feel better to give them it wether or not they absorb any or just pee it all out). He takes really good care of his animals and he said the mom was one of his best breeding does and birthed the best kids in term of meat production. I am not positive but pretty sure he did give all the vaccines necessary. I will find out for sure.

    CJ
     
  16. cjpup

    cjpup New Member

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    Dec 1, 2007
    TX
    I am happy to report that both does have solid poops!!! YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! :stars:

    Thank you all for your suggestions. Just a note, I would like to suggest to everyone who comes by this post to check the solution mixtures on milk replacer and make sure its for the kind of goat you are bottle feeding. I really do think th is was due to the fact that the milk was too concentrated for boer goats. For Purina milk replacer, there is a 1/2 cup difference per 2 liter bottle between the pygmy (3 1/2 c.) and standard (3 c). If you are having a diarreaha problem, this should be the first thing to check!

    THANK YOU!
    CJ
     
  17. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    wonderful!

    it is so nice when the solution is that easy!
     
  18. cjpup

    cjpup New Member

    417
    Dec 1, 2007
    TX
    I spoke to soon......

    we are going to try to lean out the milk even more. Hopefully that will work.....

    CJ