Was he given any water in a bottle?
2 week old buckling peeing red (blood?) Please help.
Try to keep this short and sweet as possible. Purchased a nanny with 2 week old buckling at side. When I picked them up, I was already alarmed at the skinniness of mama and baby. Baby seemed almost lifeless when I picked him up, no crying or movement at all. The previous owners stated mama goat had little interest in baby when born, and they've "managed to get him to eat some".
An hour ride home, and get them home, baby is extremely lethargic. I milked one of my other nannies and tried to bottle feed him...he seemed slightly interested, but lots of teeth grinding (which I've raised cattle long enough to know that usually indicates a belly ache). He weakly tried to walk up to his mom and nurse, but barely raised his head.
Fast forward 30 minutes, and my daughter exclaims he's "peeing blood".
Now here's where I'm at ...after some googling....does he have FKS? And that's why he's weak and lethargic etc? Did mama mash him during transport, which is why he's peeing blood? Or does that go hand in hand with his other symptoms? I'm not NEW new to goat raising, but this is the youngest baby I've owned so far. Any and all advice appreciated!!!
An hour ride home, and get them home, baby is extremely lethargic. I milked one of my other nannies and tried to bottle feed him...he seemed slightly interested, but lots of teeth grinding (which I've raised cattle long enough to know that usually indicates a belly ache). He weakly tried to walk up to his mom and nurse, but barely raised his head.
Fast forward 30 minutes, and my daughter exclaims he's "peeing blood".
Now here's where I'm at ...after some googling....does he have FKS? And that's why he's weak and lethargic etc? Did mama mash him during transport, which is why he's peeing blood? Or does that go hand in hand with his other symptoms? I'm not NEW new to goat raising, but this is the youngest baby I've owned so far. Any and all advice appreciated!!!
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That I do not know. Honestly, I don't know how the poor thing has lived this long.Was he given any water in a bottle?
So far, I've gotten him to drink about a half an ounce of goat milk. But I've been reading about FKS? And if that's what's wrong, I should be withholding milk? Also read that ½-1 tsp baking soda in water will help if it's fks? But that doesn't explain the red/boost urine. He's not bloated like it's an internal injury. He's just super duper weak. He bleats at his mom a little bit, and will lick his lips some.
ETA I messaged the lady I purchased them from and she claims she never gave him a bottle of any kind. As poor condition as they are both in, I'm wondering if she done anything for the poor things.
FKS is from too much/ or two rich of undigested milk. Sounds like this is not the issue with this guy.
If he was starving and baby drank alot of water, could cause it.
Definitely could be injury.
He may need to see a vet.
If he was starving and baby drank alot of water, could cause it.
Definitely could be injury.
He may need to see a vet.
Well, he was definitely malnourished. Hasn't had any water that I know of. He's turned so quickly. I mean, when I got him, he was pretty limp....I told myself it was just needing his mama, as he'd rode at least an hour separated from her. So not even thinking it would be a problem, I put him and mama together in a small transport crate, he immediately started nursing. Which made me feel better. Then we drove an hour home, and he, again, seemed very weak. He stood for a minute, acted like he wanted to nurse again, but wouldn't quite life his head. Then the bloody peeing happened, now he acts like a calf with a belly ache...head turned into his stomach, heavy breathing, etcFKS is from too much/ or two rich of undigested milk. Sounds like this is not the issue with this guy.
If he was starving and baby drank alot of water, could cause it.
Definitely could be injury.
He may need to see a vet.
So. I guess maybe mama injured him internally on the ride? He's not bloated or anything. Ugh. I'm just so stressed and wish I there was something I could do. Being memorial weekend, and Sunday, I don't have vet access until Tuesday.
Update-- he's salivating/has tiny bubbles around his mouth...done a couple of what I would call "death rolls". I'm just completely stumped. I wish I knew what I could do for him. I honestly assumed he was just starving when we got him home. But he definitely acts like it's a stomach issue.
Should I try something like electrolytes? Karo syrup? I don't have any thiamine unfortunately...or I'd try that. I feel like I should be doing something besides watch him die. 😔
Should I try something like electrolytes? Karo syrup? I don't have any thiamine unfortunately...or I'd try that. I feel like I should be doing something besides watch him die. 😔
Im sorry. I know this has got to be hard. A vet is ideal for hands on checking but I know this will not be easy to do with a 3 day week end. Let try a few things ..But know he does sound critical. Poor guy im sorry.
Cayenne pepper is an amazing herb that you can give him to help in a bleeding issue. it also is great for perking them up, contains B vitamins in an easy usable form. I would give 1/8 teaspoon in a bit of honey, then dilute in enough water, maybe 1-2 cc and drench it slowly to him, a little bit every 30 minutes until gone. repeat. Tomorrow can do 4 times a day if you see no more blood other wise continue every 30 minutes dosing little at a time.
Continue to bottle him every 2 hours to help keep his strength up. Put a pinch of baking soda in his first bottle of the day.
weigh him and multiply that by 16 for his weight in oz. then multiply that by 10% to see how much per day he needs then divide into 4 or more bottles a day. For now I would feed every 2 hours until bed time, so divide into 6-8 bottles. Keep close watch on blood situation
Make sure his temp is not low before feeding him anything..101.5-103.5 is ideal range.
Cayenne pepper is an amazing herb that you can give him to help in a bleeding issue. it also is great for perking them up, contains B vitamins in an easy usable form. I would give 1/8 teaspoon in a bit of honey, then dilute in enough water, maybe 1-2 cc and drench it slowly to him, a little bit every 30 minutes until gone. repeat. Tomorrow can do 4 times a day if you see no more blood other wise continue every 30 minutes dosing little at a time.
Continue to bottle him every 2 hours to help keep his strength up. Put a pinch of baking soda in his first bottle of the day.
weigh him and multiply that by 16 for his weight in oz. then multiply that by 10% to see how much per day he needs then divide into 4 or more bottles a day. For now I would feed every 2 hours until bed time, so divide into 6-8 bottles. Keep close watch on blood situation
Make sure his temp is not low before feeding him anything..101.5-103.5 is ideal range.
I would give him 0.5cc’s of Vitamin b complex sub q, then a pea sized dollop of selenium/vitamin e paste orally. His kidneys are probably so dehydrated from lack of liquid that he needs to flush out and his urine is very concentrated hence the “blood” coloring. I would also hive him some sterile saline solution sub q.
I hope he comes around, it sounds like he’s in bad shape. Make sure his temp is over 100* before any oral milk and the milk is either moms or whole cows milk heated to 101*
Good luck!
I hope he comes around, it sounds like he’s in bad shape. Make sure his temp is over 100* before any oral milk and the milk is either moms or whole cows milk heated to 101*
Good luck!
You can get vitamin b complex at tractor supply, it will work in this case.
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I've got him under a low watt heat lamp in the house, both my nannies (his mother and another I already own) are seemingly impossible to milk! Can I give him whole people milk?? It's my only other option, as I'm only getting about an ounce from my mamas at a time, and he's not eating anything...I don't want to drown him, so I've just been dribbling it in his mouth.
Oh my gosh, this has been the most helpful post!! You have no idea how thankful I am for this! I have all these things on hand too! Thank the Lord!! He did pee again (while laying down...bright red 😩😩)Im sorry. I know this has got to be hard. A vet is ideal for hands on checking but I know this will not be easy to do with a 3 day week end. Let try a few things ..But know he does sound critical. Poor guy im sorry.
Cayenne pepper is an amazing herb that you can give him to help in a bleeding issue. it also is great for perking them up, contains B vitamins in an easy usable form. I would give 1/8 teaspoon in a bit of honey, then dilute in enough water, maybe 1-2 cc and drench it slowly to him, a little bit every 30 minutes until gone. repeat. Tomorrow can do 4 times a day if you see no more blood other wise continue every 30 minutes dosing little at a time.
Continue to bottle him every 2 hours to help keep his strength up. Put a pinch of baking soda in his first bottle of the day.
weigh him and multiply that by 16 for his weight in oz. then multiply that by 10% to see how much per day he needs then divide into 4 or more bottles a day. For now I would feed every 2 hours until bed time, so divide into 6-8 bottles. Keep close watch on blood situation
Make sure his temp is not low before feeding him anything..101.5-103.5 is ideal range.
I've got him under a low watt heat lamp in the house, both my nannies (his mother and another I already own) are seemingly impossible to milk! Can I give him whole people milk?? It's my only other option, as I'm only getting about an ounce from my mamas at a time, and he's not eating anything...I don't want to drown him, so I've just been dribbling it in his mouth.
Whole cows milk will work. Warm on the stove top. What's his temp running?
Bright red blood is not good. Sounds like possible internal injury.
That's what I'm afraid of. 😔 I feel at fault for transporting him with his mom, as she probably stepped on him. His temp is 102.3 right now.Bright red blood is not good. Sounds like possible internal injury.
Not your fault at all. Junk happens we do our best..thats all we can do.
Temp is good.
Temp is good.
Thank you.Not your fault at all. Junk happens we do our best..thats all we can do.
Temp is good.
He's doing some more "death rolling/seizing"... Extreme salivating. I think it's too late, or there just wasn't anything I could do if he's injured. Thank you for all you're advice. I've followed your comments on here for a long time. ♥
Been following this and I must say it tugs at my heart strings. Great advice given! You're doing the best you can. We all have situations like this when we feel helpless, or that we have done something to cause harm. The fact that you are seeking help and following advice is evidence your little goat is loved. Regardless of what happens, don't beat yourself up. Hang in there.
Tysm. ♥Been following this and I must say it tugs at my heart strings. Great advice given! You're doing the best you can. We all have situations like this when we feel helpless, or that we have done something to cause harm. The fact that you are seeking help and following advice is evidence your little goat is loved. Regardless of what happens, don't beat yourself up. Hang in there.
I am so sorry. 
Thank you, I really wish I had those things on hand...but unfortunately I don't. I doubt he makes it til I get some. He's struggling. I would love to think that is the issue, and not an internal injury though....I would give him 0.5cc’s of Vitamin b complex sub q, then a pea sized dollop of selenium/vitamin e paste orally. His kidneys are probably so dehydrated from lack of liquid that he needs to flush out and his urine is very concentrated hence the “blood” coloring. I would also hive him some sterile saline solution sub q.
I hope he comes around, it sounds like he’s in bad shape. Make sure his temp is over 100* before any oral milk and the milk is either moms or whole cows milk heated to 101*
Good luck!
It does sound like he's in crisis. Im sorry.. you have done great, but sometimes it's just too much on them.. Just hold him..keep him comfy. ((Hugs))
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