A Buying Nightmare...

Discussion in 'Meat Market' started by HoosierShadow, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    It's a great first aid spray that is advertised mostly for oral problems but, My grandma used it for everything and I do too. I've used it on my dogs hot spots, campfire burns, scrapes, cuts ..like I said just about everything. Merlins scrotum got raw last fall and he really objected to the nustock so I tried spraying it on then letting it dry and then applying the nustock and it was fine. He healed up pretty quickly after.
    The ingredients are pretty benign but effective...just thought it might help your new boy.
     

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  2. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Thanks! He's settled in well, and I really like how he is looking, and he's definitely my buddy now :) I love that he trusts me, but hope he learns to trust my husband and kids. I feel so bad for them and him when they go to grab him and he runs away or runs and hides behind me lol. But I make a point to baby talk him, give him lots of rubs and scratches, and just enjoy spending time with him.

    I will definitely be considering this! I need to get some pictures to show what I am dealing with. It's bad and I just don't know what to do, I'm so afraid of making it even worse. he doesn't seem to mind the Chlorhexidine spray, but worry even it might irritate it? I've never seen anything like this before :( He looked pretty decent after I cleaned him up the first couple of times, and feel like we've taken 2 steps backwards. I truly feel the Nustock was the culprit in that. I'll try to get pictures before I do any further treatments.

    My daughter and her friend said we should call him Max.... So this guy's barn name will be Max :)
     

  3. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    He he is looking so much better! Great job! I look at him and really like him now.
    Defiantly work on him trusting your husband and kids. Lamar, my wild boy who I have been working with to learn that I’m not going to eat him alive fully trusts me now. I decided to just put the bucks in with the girls a little early because I had the time and help. Anyways he was such a good boy until Keith came over to help me. I had Lamar on a long lasso rope. He freaked when keith got close and wrapped the rope around both of us. I am sporting a beautiful bruised rope burn across my back at the moment. So we will be working on learning humans in general are not going to kill you!
     
  4. Tanya

    Tanya Well-Known Member

    Are goats generally scared of humans? Destiny only likes me n the girls. She shys away from my sister allot. He is handsome. He will be great.
     
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  5. At work we sometimes use coat defense. It is for horses but it is great for goats that have mites. It helps to loosen the scabs and even helps to keep if from spreading. And sometimes we will put Eprinex pour on directly on the mites and rub it in.
     
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  6. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    No. But he came from a big ranch in Illinois and lived in a huge pasture. The only time he had much human contact he was tattooed, blood drawn and shoved in a trailer to make the long haul to California. So he is still trying to figure things out. Now I do have some that just flat out despise me and would rather me not touch them but once I get my hands on them they know I won and they have to deal with whatever I’m going to do to them.
     
  7. Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2018
    Oklahoma
    Hey you..Kentucky Derby in September..Preakness in Oct. Are you at the Belmont today?
    Everytime I see him..he looks better & better. I love the videos. He is such a ham.. He has you right where he wants you..mom! Lol lol As far as the.mites go. Soak that foot in an ice water bucket/ while he feeds and at least about 5 minutes. Helps take out the swelling/ drowns any mites left. Then apply A&D ointment. It will soothe & smother the remaining pests.
     
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  8. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    There are a lot of goats that are wild and not handled or just do not like people or being messed with. We have a small enough herd that we handle them from birth and try to make all of ours as friendly as possible so they are easy to take care of and not chasing them around stressing them and ourselves out in the process. Most of ours know their names, even the May babies are learning their names.

    Oh I wish I could cover the races, but I"m in KY and still can't go to the tracks here :( The man that runs the website I work for was able to shoot at Belmont yesterday and said it was such an eerie day with empty grandstand. I live about 15-20 minutes from Keeneland, and there will be 4 days of racing next month and still no media access :( I don't know how they are going to do Derby if we're only 2 months away and still not allowing any spectators or media at the tracks? It's so wrong IMO, no reason I can not go and do my job, all I need is a bathroom and a place to stand between races for shade/cover from rain in between races, although when I shoot dirt races, I have to stay across the track, because once the tractors harrow, you aren't supposed to cross. So rain/shine we'd be stuck across the track. I miss it :( I am also so aggravated with our Governor picking and choosing what opens as if media coverage is not a job for many people, it's ridiculous to say the least.
     
  9. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
  10. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Update on Max - so he seems to be doing good, legs maybe trying to feel better from top to bottom but hard to say. Nustock I truly feel irritated him and caused some sores on all 4 feet/legs. I'm leaving them alone for now and just doing Chlorhexidine spray.
    I took some quick pics yesterday evening, not great but shows you the severity of that front left. It feels better going up to the knee, scaly, but dry if that makes sense. No swelling. He has some random sores on his other feet that make me think staph? Maybe I"m wrong. We've had some staph here off and on over the last couple of years, but nothing severe like this. Although the first time we dealt with it we didn't know it was staph, thought it was mites, then thought fly related, and I want to say mite cream or nustock caused it to blow up with infection. So, maybe that's what possibly happened here?
    He is getting hair regrowth around his eyes where he was losing hair, so that tells me maybe the Ivermectin Pour On is helping.
    He has dry skin, not sure if it's the effects from Ivermectin Pour On, fly spray or maybe shedding dead skin from mites?

    He is now out with a January born wether and next to the yearling buck. He seems to be settling in okay, but misses being in the barn at night. The wether is being a bully but i don't think it will be long before Max can push him around.

    Pics of his front left leg :(
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  11. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Forgot this one. I'm on my laptop and it's being a pain.

    BTW, green/blue colored stuff is from the Chlorhexidine.

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  12. Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2018
    Oklahoma
    Ouch that looks so.painful. yet I agree it doesnt look swollen. Hopefully all you have done will start showing.
     
  13. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    I am confused, it really should be better than that by now.

    Are you over using Ivomec pour on?
    How often are you putting it on?

    I hear the mentioning of putting it on all the time?
     
  14. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    I agree. Could it be something else? It looks so lumpy and red and nothing like I’ve ever seen. Even our most severe case of mites (the buckling lost nearly all of his hair and was naked for about 3 weeks) still didn’t look that irritated. How often was the NuStock used? I believe it can cause irritation if used too often. I’d be looking at a secondary skin infection. Has his limping improved? Poor boy!
     
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  15. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    So keep in mind I have never been blessed with mites. But I have heard of people using oils and such to smoother mites. But since we are not totally sure mites are the issue what about using something like this

    https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=2E87C5F7-7B6A-11D5-A192-00B0D0204AE5
    I love this stuff, I call it neosporn on steroids. But I have used it on SO many things. A bad case of rain rot, hoof scald, and recently a kid that literally skinned the skin off of his leg (I had to cut the haggard skin off!) and it does amazing things. So I’m thinking it should be able to take care of a wide “maybes” he might have going on.
    Just a thought
     
  16. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Thanks, I appreciate the help.

    Pam - I have only done the Ivermectin 2x down the back - 9 days apart instead of 10. I put some under his dew claws last week on the 3 'better' legs. The only time I put Ivermectin on his bad leg was the 1st time I treated him 2 weeks ago.

    Nustock I was doing a little for a few days in a row with diaper rash ointment mixed together per a friends suggestion. Stopped that, soaked his legs in Permetherin trying to get the Nustock residue off. It was not staying on very well - wasn't caked on, just random spots still had some on it.
    Waited 3-4 days, and reapplied Nustock mixed with a tiny bit of Vaseline - my normal treatment and I've even used this daily with 0 issues and cleared them right up.
    Well 2 days of that, and scrubbed it off with Iodine medicated shampoo, then started the Chlorhexidine, and it is what you see now.

    Jessica - My husband even recommended using Fura-Zone. I started to get it, but wasn't sure if it covered Fungal issues, I know it does cover antibacterial.

    On a goat group I posted pics of yesterday on FB trying to see if anyone had any other suggestions or had seen anything like this, seems like they are saying mite sores, but one person said sore mouth? We've never had sore mouth. I did finally contact the breeder about it and sent these current pictures, no - I'm sorry for selling you our problem, etc. just suggested an expensive injectable, a spray and Nustock.

    Another breeder who is a good friend and someone I trust like you all said to try mixing Nustock and Fluid Film (lanolin based spray), so I'm wondering if I should try that? But if this is not mites then I am still worried it will make him worse. (headsmash)

    It's like his skin is covered in some calcified little weird scabs on the worst leg, so hard to explain. Then the random sores on the other feet and legs. I have no idea what I am up against or which treatment method I should go with. I keep thinking I need to keep Staph in mind, worried now about sore mouth? and then worried maybe it's from maybe killing off the mites and this is the aftereffect of that where they have died under the skin? Or just some kind of reaction to treatment :( (headsmash)

    Other than feeling like it's spreading into his arm pit and up one back leg with the random scabs, which back leg feels like mites in an area I have not touched with Nustock, I want to say maybe his worst leg looks a little better, not as angry, but definitely super dry. I'm going to make dinner, then hoping it doesn't rain so I can get him up on the stand and get a better look at him.

    This is what I was planning to put on him today, apparently many cattle people have used it with success with skin issues and especially against ringworm (never dealt with it that I know of)
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    Again it is Lanolin based.

    But again, keeping staph infection in the back of my mind... what treats staph, fungal or bacterial infections? Or... if this poor guy has sore mouth what treats all of that plus sore mouth? I think I am more than banging my head on the wall at this point :(
     
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  17. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Again I am tempted to try this. My husband loves Furazone, they use it on the horses all the time. They also use Healex
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    But we don't know that it will help. They used to use MTG but he said they had no luck with it on various skin issues so stopped using it, and he didn't want me to spend the $$ on it because at one point over the weekend I was considering the MTG Plus.
     
  18. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    No I get not spending the money on something that might not work. Although I always keep that on hand and will even use it on myself, but I also didn’t get done making a big purchase on a buck ;)
    Honestly I don’t think that is sore mouth. Sore mouth is a lot more crusty, nasty looking and to be honest there is no way to really speed up recovery time, only help sooth it and letting it run it’s course. Many people have 101 ways they swear fixes it but IMO its just doing its thing and people feel better they are doing something about it.
    So that leaves staph or fungal. I’m not sure if it’s staph either. It could be I won’t say it’s not but what I used for a doe that had staph was watered down iodine. I kinda scrubbed the area, and she had it BAD! She was a fat slob that wouldn’t get up to pee so she had it all down her back end and under her stomach. It was so gross. Anyways that did well. There’s a topic on here about sore mouth and I believe it’s actually staph they are dealing with, someone else suggested something else, might not hurt to check it out. I picked iodine because I had it.
    Fungal, apple cider vinegar I absolutely swear by! My son got ring worm on his head (another ick story lol) and my truck was down so couldn’t run to the store. I googled home remedies and ACV was mentioned so I figured let’s try it. I think it was something like 3 days just drenching his head after a shower and there wasn’t a spot left. So that’s something you can try.
    Looking at it though I would almost be tempted to think maybe some kind of hoof scald remedy. That’s why I suggested the fura-zone because it kinda looked like hoof scald that the doe had here but not exactly. If you have some coppertox I would be tempted to give it a try and see what happens. I don’t think any way you go if it’s something else it’s really going to make anything worse so you might just have to play and see what happens. I would though give whatever you try a chance to work before moving onto something else, unless of course it starts getting worse.
     
  19. Llaughingllama

    Llaughingllama Member

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    Jun 20, 2020
    Montana
    I don't think he's that bad from the pictures. I would be worried about the sway back and the odd belly, BUT kids grow weirdly. The kids I had would focus on one area in a growth spurt, and then another. He looks more like benign neglect. I would worm the heck out of him, get him cleaned up and just wait and see. Now, granted I have grade goat, and mixes at that, but I get conformation because I used to show dogs. Groceries are important with him.
    Good luck!

    ETA: it looks like he shed his winter coat, which often hides a multitude of sins. Give him time and work with him. That is my recommendation.

     
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  20. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Jessica - I will check out the thread you mentioned, thanks! I agree, to me it honestly looks like a fungal type of infection. Sort of like hoof scald that we sometimes see under the dew claw very randomly, but I've never had anything like this. I wish the Dr. Naylors Hoof & Heal didn't burn so badly because that is my go to for hoof scald.
    Very interesting about the ACV, I didn't know it was good for that! I had been considering soaking his legs in vinegar, so maybe ACV instead. I'd also considered making him shampoo out of ACV/Dawn soap/Listerine but had thought the Iodine shampoo would be better. Now guessing I should have went with my gut feeling.

    We did put the Fluid Film on him yesterday evening, but I haven't picked up his legs today to see what they look like, figured I'd wait until the afternoon. He did seem happier this morning, and was letting me know he was ready for breakfast lol


    Thanks! I'm not too worried about his back, he tends to stand pretty good, it may not be a perfect topline, but he's just a baby that didn't have the best of care or so it seems. I dont' care for the belly, but honestly, I think he was on a hay diet mostly, because he had a major hay belly as did many of the goats I seen. He really needs to fill out his butt and get more cover over his shoulders and hopefully widen up a little on the front end. He's in a weird growth IMO. He has the genetic potential to be very nice, his parents are super nice and champions so hopefully when we breed him he can pass some of those traits down to his kids.

    His fecal was perfect last week, I saw nothing in it. BUT... I did do Sulfadimethoxine for 5 days before I was able to finally get his fecal done.
    We did deworm him today with Equimax as I worry about tapeworm since mites and tapeworm seem to go hand in hand. If he has any I'll know it by the afternoon. Otherwise, hoping the Ivermectin part can help aid in the fight against mites.
     
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