Above What EPG for Barber Pole to Take Action?

Discussion in 'Parasites' started by MellonFriend, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    I'm sure this has been answered before, but above what EPG number would you treat for baber pole? I noticed some clumpy poops from my does and did a fecal. I got 250 EPG for Bella and 400 EPG for Prim.
     
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  2. Sfgwife

    Sfgwife Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2018
    North Cakalaki
    I would go on and treat both. Bp is nothing to plAy around with. The lower one is borderline but still no holes barred for this worm here. Get em gone asap.
     
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  3. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    Okay so I checked their famacha and it's paler than I've seen. 3s maybe. I'm rather confused and I don't really know where to go from here. @NigerianDwarfOwner707 I think I need your herbal advice.

    I've been giving them LOH parasite formula and it's been taking care of Barber poles for me just fine. I haven't done a fecal in quite a while because every time I did it their numbers were low, so I don't know how long it's been going on. I give them the herbs diligently weekly along with garlic and every time it rains. In addition they have been eating a lot of fallen oak leaves so I figured the tannins would be helping them out. I just don't really know where to go from here. And why did it used to work and now suddenly isn't? I have been keeping the herbs in a small plastic container so maybe they are going stale in the not 100% air tight dish. I can't believe it would be that alone.:shrug:

    I'm going to treat them with acute doses so hopefully that will take care of the current problem. Should I give them Red Cell too? They aren't acting off. Their appetites are good. Bella's coat looks nice. Prim's is a little rough, but I attributed that to minerals, but maybe it's not.

    I should probably mention that I believe they are both pregnant if that changes your advice at all.

    So basically, my question is what should I do about prevention since what I am doing clearly isn't working.
     
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  4. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    It depends on their FAMACHAs. Usually 500 and above means treatment - but if FAMACHAs are borderline, treatment earlier may be needed.

    Personally I would treat natural because the numbers are still manageable, and you have herbs on hand.

    I would give LOH double dose 3x a day for three days then double dose 2x a day for 5 days.

    Do you have access to oils? DoTerra or YL?
     
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  5. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    I know the herbs say weekly is maintenance, but I have found more frequent dosing is often needed.
     
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  6. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    So what frequency would you recommend for maintenance?

    I would love to oils, but I must be frank with you. Our financial situation being as it is I really must try to take the cheapest options possible. Currently, treating herbaly is affordable for me, but if it becomes too expensive by adding the necessity to use more products, I may have consider switching to chemicals.
     
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  7. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    You’re welcome to treat with a chemical; if someone chooses to treat using natural methods they must be willing and able to spend the money it. Not trying to be rude, but the goats come first so don’t feel bad about giving a chemical if need be. I would consider it for the one with 400EPG, and great naturally for the other. Then fecal in 10 days and re-evaluate.
     
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  8. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    I know you're not being rude.;) I just wanted to let you know where I stand.

    I think I will try to treat Prim naturally too because I don't actually have any chemical wormers on hand and I'd kind of like to know if it works on a count as high as hers. I'll keep a close eye on her famacha while I'm treating her.

    For the future, what frequency for prevention would you recommend using the herbs?
     
  9. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    In a wet season I find that 3 days on 4 days off or minimum twice weekly is needed.
     
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  10. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    I agree with doing acute dosing with LOH. Neither have numbers scary high. I dont do anemia treatment for 3..im betting once parasites are bettered controlled famacha will improve.
    During peek worm months we give herbs 2 times a week. We may booster if we have storms.
     
  11. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    Thanks you guys. I don't know how I could do this without you. :ty:
     
  12. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    Question: Should the fecal done after tens days be done ten days from the end of the treatment or...?
     
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  13. Blessed Boer's

    Blessed Boer's Active Member

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    Nov 7, 2019
    Shawnee, Oklahoma
    I use LOH parasite formula mixed in food 1-2 times a week and I also offer free choice mixed in kelp. This combo has worked great. They self medicate between treatments.
    Just thought I’d share.
     
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  14. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    @NigerianDwarfOwner707 ?
     
  15. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    With herbs I do 10 days from the last time an herb was given.
     
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  16. MellonFriend

    MellonFriend Well-Known Member

    I keep forgetting update you guys. I did the fecal and Bella's count was down to 50 and Prim's was 150. I think that's pretty darn good, right? FAMACHAs still aren't what I'd like them to be. Will that take some time to correct?

    I think I've decided what I am going to do going forward as well. I really hate to take the does off of the herbs. Since we are going to be milking them it just makes feel like I don't want to be giving them chemicals. That just doesn't seem right to me. I am going to try dosing them twice a week instead of once and see how that goes. Then, what I am going to do to try to offset the cost of giving more herbs is I'm going to take my bucks off of them and treat them chemically. They have always had very low fecal counts, and I think that it's possible that I won't need to treat them very often at all. Since we won't be consuming anything that comes from their bodies I feel very good about treating them chemically.
     
  17. FMW

    FMW Active Member

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    Jun 30, 2020
    midwest
    I want to give that a try, where I mix the LOH parasite formula with the kelp. I want to try this with the two bucks. What do you think if I put two tablespoons of the herbs and 1/4 cup kelp? I then can see what it looks like at the end of the week.
     
  18. Blessed Boer's

    Blessed Boer's Active Member

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    Nov 7, 2019
    Shawnee, Oklahoma
    I really think it’s safe to try however you’d like (within reason). I believe the directions is 1/4 cup per 16 oz of kelp. I have mine at 1/2 cup per 16 oz because of our worm load. I worked with kristie to come up with that. Anyway, if you can do the math to your desired kelp amount, I would try it!
     
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  19. That's great news! When is the last time they have had a copper bolus? You can get some anemia and rough coat from needing coper as well. Also it helps some against barberpole. So if they were needing it, it's possible that's why your count went up too.

    I don't treat my bucks weekly with the herbs. They just don't seem to deal with them as much, they're more drylotted though.

    I LOVE when we are in milk because it's so much easier for me to dose herbals. They're on the stand twice a day every day and we have set days we add to their feed. It just saves time for me. Otherwise, I either drench or make herbal balls. However, I'm about to start the kelp mixture and see how they do as I'd seen the creator of LOH suggest to do that.
     
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