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I picked up a fullblood boer buck last Sunday, figuring I'd give him a month to see if he might work out as a herd sire. He's the twin to the first buckling I butchered back in March, and while he's short bodied and steep through the rump, I knew the meat these guys put on might be worth it.

At least, until he went homicidal maniac on me. Bringing him home, he was quiet and scared, but no signs of aggression. Now he charges the fence and tries to kill anyone who goes near him. He's stressing Magnum and Pickles out (they can't reach each other, but he tries to ram them all the same) and feeding and watering is next to impossible. Needless to say, he made my decision for me.

Trouble is, we still have an ammo shortage around here, leaving us gunless. I had an idea to use a rather heavy wood axe as I'm not sitting through another goat getying its throat slit no matter how much I hate them. But, before we went and did something stupid, I figured I'd ask if there was a better gun free method I could use.
 

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Ask a neighbor if they have some ammunition you can buy, a handful of rounds. One bullet to the head will do the job, maybe have two on hand if you want to be extra sure he is dead.

I assume you are in a rural area, where people breathe gunsmoke. At least where I am, it is weird if someone doesn't have a rifle leaning against a wall in their house.
 

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The only gun free method I know of is with a knife. If you do it right, it kills them quickly. I wouldn't try to chop his head off, their bones are so much bigger than a chicken/turkey I don't know how hard it would be to do... Do you have a friend/neighbor who could shoot him for you?

Just found this video on YouTube on how to humanely kill a goat without a gun. I didn't watch the whole thing, or listen to the sound (my sound doesn't work) but it looks like they stunned him and then cut his throat.

ETA: I'm not going to post the link since it shows a graphic pic.. Search on Youtube: How to Humanely Kill a Goat without a Gun
 

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Back in the day, people used a sledgehammer to do the trick for bulls, stallion and the likes. If there is absolutely no ammunition where you are, you could rope him, snub him to a tree or post, and do one big blow to the head.

That's all I can come up with if there is no ammo, and you don't want to use a knife.
 

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Since it was our neighbor's gun we were going to use, a bullet is not an option. I was thinking of pinning him by the neck with a pole (hogtied) and whacking him between the horns with the axe.
 

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I don't know if the hitting in the head is going to work. They way you need to shot a goat is in the back of the head because the skull is so thick. I went to a friend of my dads house a few weeks back to help with a sick goat and we got to talking about goats. He had a buck that went crazy and he went to shoot him in the forehead. He said it took like 20 shots. I have this thing about animals not dying fast so I think if I was in your place I would use a knife.
 

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I think you would be better to use a sledge hammer and stun him, then cut his throat like the people did in the video on youtube. In the video they hit the goat on the side of the head (like his temple) and it stunned him instantly.

Is there a processor near by that you could haul him to? Or perhaps you can have one of them come out a "do the deed" for you?
 

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They charge way too much for their mobile butchering service, or else I would have called them the day he started acting aggressive. Besides that, they tend to only get the main cuts of meat, and I'm the kind of person who wants every little scrap.

I think the axe may work, it's narrow enough on the blunt end to get between his horns to get to the softer part of the skull. May leave the swinging to someone with better aim while I hold him down, though. Worst comes to worst, there's a ball point hammer that can be used too.
 

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Aiyiyi- the thought of trying to hold a struggling goat down while someone else is swinging an axe in my general direction is not a pleasant one! Seriously man, that sounds like a news story just waiting to happen.

Stun him first, and then slit his throat- it's your most humane and efficient option at this point, and it's pretty much how every major slaughter plant America does it. The only other option I can think of would be to see if there is a rendering service in your area- they'll charge you a fee to put him down and haul him off, but I don't think it'd be too much. We typically paid $75 for a downer cow, but that was in WI. Still, would probably be easier than trying to explain the ER doc just what exactly you were trying to accomplish. :p
 

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I would nooooot use the axe.... Stun him and slit his throat, or borrow a gun.
 

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.22 or .45. We have both calibers. We do have a bow set to 90lb, though.

I think I got misunderstood. When I said axe, I meant the blunt end (for driving wedges), not the sharp end for decapitation or anything, and I plan on being at the tail end of a 6' t-post before I'd thing of letting anyone swing near me. NOT that brave!
 

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The walmart here in Georgia has always had most high caliber rds in stock, and shotgun ammo through-out the ammo shortages. You need to shoot him in the back of his head at an angle towards his nose area. This usually drops them like a bad habit!.. I probably have whatever you need but how could I legally get it to you? PLEASE DONT CHOP HIM WITH AN AXE....Theres way TOO MUCH room for ERROR attempting to disposef of him that way..Which could end up being VERY IN-HUMANE..You figure a way that I can get some ammo to you legally, and ill give you the ammo you need for FREE!!
 

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A big sledgehammer (not a little one), and you wouldn't need to worry about stunning. One heavy blow will kill him.

Being a butcher, there are many ways other than a gun, but are most likely to macabre to say.

As for the blunt side of an axe, it would have to be a really heavy blow to stun him.

But if you do get a couple rounds, shoot behind the ear. If you do it with an X from ear to eye across the head, use a low velocity gun, a high velocity and it will ricochet off the skull (has happened before)
 

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The axe is about 30-40lb, so it ought to be enough to drop him. It's not a small axe by any means. I think I've seen sledgehammers that were smaller lol.

I've seen both behind the ear and the back of the head (he has such a lovely, prominent dimple right at the proper shot placement point), and with the way he acts, I'm pretty sure tying him down and popping him off from the side is likely to work better, at least if I get ammo in time.
 

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If you can have him tied, you can put on a latex glove with plenty of lubricant and insert your hand in his rectum while holding a scalpel blade. You cut in a circular motion in an upwards fashion to sever the aorta and he bleeds out into his abdomen. Pretty crazy way to do it though.
 

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That's the first time I've heard of that method...might kill 2 birds with one stone that way, too.
 

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Ok, I think the sledge hammer part on a buck might be a bit drastic. I mean, if he is coming at you and you have no choice. Otherwise, no way, sorry, it just sounds wrong and not a good humane way to do it.
I understand you want him gone.

What do you plan to do with him? Butcher him? If not, is it at all possible to do a craigslist ad and see if someone is willing to take care of him in trade for his meat? Or see if you can pay someone a small fee to shoot him? Surely there must be someone in your area with a gun. Maybe see if someone could sell you a few rounds?

I'm in the same boat, if we ever have to put a goat down. We don't own a gun.

Also, I'm wondering, if you saw a goat's neck slit, if the goat was struggling and in pain, then it wasn't done right.

I've seen my husband's uncle butcher a sheep and some goats, and the animals were slit, and weren't in distress. They just bled out until they fell asleep. The part I feel awful for them on is they don't really understand what is happening to them.
Oh.. for the sheep especially he got it down, and bound the legs so it couldn't go crazy on him, once it was done fighting that, and calm, that's when he did what he had to do.
 

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If you can have him tied, you can put on a latex glove with plenty of lubricant and insert your hand in his rectum while holding a scalpel blade. You cut in a circular motion in an upwards fashion to sever the aorta and he bleeds out into his abdomen. Pretty crazy way to do it though.
Uuuuhhhhh
 
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