AI versus natural breeding & when to breed

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by FrenchFarm, Sep 20, 2008.

  1. FrenchFarm

    FrenchFarm New Member

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    Jul 25, 2008
    Mid-Michigan
    We're starting to think about breeding our two does for the first time this fall or winter. We just got them in July, a few days after Isabelle's first freshening. Isabelle was born May of 07 and kidded July 10th of 08. Phillisa was born February 16th, and is just over seven months old now. So my first question is, when would you recommend breeding a seven month old, and/or a yearling who had given birth in July and is currently giving us 11-13 cups a day of delicious milk? Secondly, we definitely want to breed them to a purebred French Alpine buck, the nearest that we know of being about an hour and a half away, on the farm where they were born. They have three bucks available, so their sire is not our only option. We are also considering the possibility of AI. My husband grew up on a (cow) dairy farm, and his father used to breed the cows that way years ago, but then decided that keeping two bulls all year around was easier than inseminating 60-90 cows a year. We're planning to go to a seminar on October 4th, but wouldn't mind getting a little input before then. What are the pros and cons of AI, and if we do go that route, are we able to buy semen from anywhere in the country, or how does that work? Is there a "one-stop shopping" directory of available bucks to choose from, or how does one go about choosing a sire, if distance is not a consideration? Feel free to offer links to websites where we can learn more. Thank you. - Stephanie
     
  2. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    We have never done A.I. although it would be nice to bring in different lines. I heard from my aunt (a vet tech) that goats can be difficult to A.I. but maybe not. . . .

    I found this website to buy semen from: http://www.superiorsemenworks.com/xcart/home.php?cat=1

    We prefer the "natural" way as it's just easier and more cost-efficient for us now. I believe you have to own a nitrogen tank to store the semen. Read somewhere that it's about $150 to get started. It may be easier for you to just get your girls bred at the farm they were from.

    When would you like babies born? If you breed now, you'll be getting February babies, pretty cold where we're at. I'd say maybe breed in November or so and get kids born when it's a little warmer and you can play w/ them a lot. :D Not that the cold could keep us from loving on our baby goats! :)

    I always dry off my does before breeding but I believe you can continue to milk them until they are about 3 months along. After that, they need to be dried off to allow time to rest their bodies before kidding/lactating.

    Hope this helps a little! I'm sure someone more experienced w/ A.I can explain that a little better. :)
     

  3. FrenchFarm

    FrenchFarm New Member

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    Jul 25, 2008
    Mid-Michigan
    Hi Olivia Rose (I love your name by the way! Our oldest daughter is Michelle Rose, and I've always liked the name Olivia too.), We are planning to wait a few months to have them bred, since Phillisa is pretty young yet, and Isabelle kidded so late in the year. We're kind of hoping that Phillisa can be due two or more months before Phillisa, since the plan is to milk Isabelle the first three months of her pregnancy. Of course it's not like we'll be able to use any or much of Phillisa's milk if either she or we are feeding her newborn kids, but that's another issue... Regarding the nitrogen tank, Tony is wondering if we might rent space in a local (cow) farmer's tank, since he knows of several of his Dad's farming buddies who still do AI. Of course we'd want to be sure and keep track of what's what lest we try and service our poor girls with a bull! But anyway, we certainly don't want to invest in our own nitrogen tank, so if it's not an option to rent space locally, we'll toss the AI idea out, for this year anyway. I'll be sure to check out the weblink you gave me. Thank you. - Stephanie
     
  4. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    theyre are few of the places to buy semen,

    Superior Semen Works
    Bio - Genetics
    The Goat Factory (it might be all boer though )

    I really wanted to do it this year. But I am caught on the shipping route. I have lots of goat friends with nitrogen tanks, and a breeder with a 'public' tank that she rents spaces out. But I dont know how much the ordering will cost. The lady with the public tank says that if you rent a space you get free A.I. (the space is like $10 i think)

    I think AI is a very conveinent thing (especially in ak where its hard to find an unrelated boer buck, and dairy service cost aroung $100 per doe.
     
  5. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Thanks! :D That would be neat if you can find a place to store semen. I should look into that for around here. . . . hope it works out for you to rent a space! That would be neat to go "shopping" for a sire from anywhere in the country! :)
     
  6. RunAround

    RunAround New Member

    Feb 17, 2008
    Massachusetts
    I've been told the success rate for AI is less than 50% since it is so hard to catch the doe in the right stage of heat... :shrug:
     
  7. heathersboers

    heathersboers New Member

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    Sep 5, 2008
    Wilson N.C.
    The Goat factory is all boers- We have been doing natural breeding , but we are going to flush some of our does to our herdires Trax and 313- If you AI there is about a 75% success rate if the person that does it is good at it-I usually costs about $125 per doe for AI, but if you do more than 1 , the vet, or certified AI specialists will give you a discount. A semen tank starts at about $500,used, so I would try to find someone to store it for you-shipping the semen from where you buy it costs a bit too-I'm not sure about the price of shipping it, but they have semen shippers (little tanks)-when we did our AI- the semen was close by and we picked it up. Then you have to get the doe in heat- Ludelyse (spelling?) gets them in heat within 20 min. here is a site that helped us when we did it-
    http://www.goatworld.com/articles/ai/ai.shtml
     
  8. redneck_acres

    redneck_acres New Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    Idaho
    I have heard that it is tuff to A.I. a doeling or doe being bred for the first time. But, it is possible to A.I. one. I think it would be nice to A.I., especially if you are successful with the first or second straw. I hope to buy some LaMancha semen within the next year. My mom has some Saanen semen in her tank-but wouold like to find some different Saanen lines to add. She did A.I. when she had her LaManchas years ago-but unfortunately she sold her old tank when she sold her LaMancha herd:(. That would have been cool to have some of the old LaMancha semen that she had. Of course it probably wouldn't have gone so well with the New Style LaManchas of today.
     
  9. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    thanks heather that link was interesting.
     
  10. heathersboers

    heathersboers New Member

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    Sep 5, 2008
    Wilson N.C.
    No problem- It helps us out with any questions and how to's
     
  11. badnewsboers

    badnewsboers New Member

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    May 9, 2008
    Newport, NC
    Success rate with AI depends on who you get to do it. I'm trying to get a man with a success rate of 80% to AI some of my does this year.

    And its not a good idea to just try to catch a doe in heat. Most people I know use CIDRS to synchronize heats.

    Heather, are taking part in the flush with John and Jackie Edwards right before State Fair?
     
  12. heathersboers

    heathersboers New Member

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    Sep 5, 2008
    Wilson N.C.
    No we are doing our flush next spring with randall White-John Edwards is doing our flush though.
     
  13. badnewsboers

    badnewsboers New Member

    429
    May 9, 2008
    Newport, NC
    Oh, ok. I knew Brad, Kevin and Elwood were flushing this fall and knew a few other people who were having John Edwards AI for them at the same time.