Also, I have an abusive goat...

Discussion in 'Goat Management' started by YasmineMay, Apr 7, 2018.

  1. YasmineMay

    YasmineMay New Member

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    Apr 5, 2018
    Hi all,
    I have two male wether pygmies and I love them to pieces.
    However, one of them constantly head butts (very hard) on the legs and knees if you dont give him attention.
    I had been given advice to tug his ear when he does something bad, apparently replicating what an elder goat will do to tell them off. I'm not sure if its true but it definitely doesn't work.
    I really need him to stop though as my dad has a fractured knee cap. If he headbutts my dad on his knee cap then prospects don't look good for either my dad or the goat.
    I'm still new to goat keeping and this is an issue that has progressed as he has got older. I don't know why he does it as my other goat has never butted me in his life! I have raised them both the same so I don't know why he does it.
    Please help me train him. Many thanks :)
     
  2. TooManyBoers

    TooManyBoers Well-Known Member

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    Oct 19, 2017
    UK
    Whenever one of my bucks is naughty (or my does) I give them a light slap on the nose. Doesn’t do any damage but it stings, if you do that enough times they usually seem to learn not to do what they were doing wrong...

    Of course, when my bucks are being naughty it’s usually because they’re challenging me for dominance and/or wanting to jump me, so they definitely needn’t to be taught a lesson quickly! XD
     
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  3. lifesabtchlearn2deal

    lifesabtchlearn2deal Active Member

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    Mar 26, 2018
    I have one like that too. I've tried everything people have suggested. I even had to take a horse whip to him to get him off of my nephew one day. He finally backed off him but came after me. He's in a pen alone now. I have everything set up where I don't have to step foot in there unless something is wrong with him.
     
  4. groovyoldlady

    groovyoldlady Goat Crazy!

    Jul 21, 2011
    Central Maine
    Can you keep a spray bottle of water with you? If he starts to come after a person you can give a sharp "NO!" and squirt him in the face. Make sure the bottle is set for "stream" or a narrow spray, not a mist.
     
  5. YasmineMay

    YasmineMay New Member

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    Apr 5, 2018
    Thanks for your help. I will give it a try!
    My two goats are really rough with each other and fight over food even though they always have it in abundance. They spin each other around and then butt each other. Should I do something about this??
     
  6. Maureen Harmon

    Maureen Harmon Active Member

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    Jul 19, 2017
    Peru, NY
    I use a water bottle on my naughty pygmy, if he sees it he usually abruptly stops the shenanigans!
     
  7. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    As long as the goats aren't hurting each other, they are fine.
     
  8. YasmineMay

    YasmineMay New Member

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    Apr 5, 2018
    Thank You! Your replies are really helpful and I have already seen an improvement of my naughtiest goat!
    He has not headbutted me today yet (by this point I would have been butted between 1 or 2 times).
    Thank you again!
     
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  9. I have a dwarf Nubian who butts. Not sure why this developed, but I have had little luck stopping her completely, although I have been able to make it a "tentative" behavior, which means she does it less, and hesitates if she she does try, with less force. When I see it coming I have grabbed a horn and held her head down for a half a minute or so to let her know I am in charge. Not perfect, but its slowly helping.
     
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  10. Maureen Harmon

    Maureen Harmon Active Member

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    Jul 19, 2017
    Peru, NY
    My youngest daughter will do this to my pygmy when the water bottle isn’t readily available. Afterwards she gives him a smooch right between his eyes and all is good!
     
  11. Damfino

    Damfino Well-Known Member

    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    I would not recommend bopping on the nose or face for a goat with an already-established butting problem. It can work to remedy goats who are just experimenting with aggression for the first time, but an established head-butter will probably rise to the occasion and get worse. Water is usually a really good deterrent for bad behavior. Sometimes spraying the front feet works better than spraying the face. You can also add vinegar to your spray bottle to give it a greater deterrent factor. I've also heard of some some folks having success with blasting an air horn in the face of an aggressive goat. I hope you are able to successfully retrain this fellow. It sounds like he's being quite the little monster!
     
  12. dian_na

    dian_na Active Member

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    Jan 31, 2015
    St. Louis, Mo
    I think thumping a goat might work but also think some will take it ad a challenge. I use water bottle and on a friends buck who was in rut I opened the dang hose on him. Lol my friend was like why is he so wet ... I don't know
     
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  13. JumpingGoat

    JumpingGoat Member

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    Mar 10, 2016
    My buck was like that when i first got him. He would also use his horns to hook around my leg. I would just start of by givinb him a bit if a tap and get harder if he continued. Eventually he got the picture. I was only 13 when i got him so i struggled to show him who was the boss. I have heard people say to spray them with water but that never seamed to work for me. He kinda likes water. if he got really bad i would chase him away from me and scare him a bit. Now he is like a big dog, he is the most gentle and friendly goat i own. I have found that the key is to set boundaries and to stay consistent.
     
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  14. lottsagoats1

    lottsagoats1 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Apr 12, 2014
    Middle Maine
    If all else fails, you can use a hot shot and zap him when he butts after yelling NO. Another option is a quick shot of pepper spray. I had to use it on a loose buck one day in the line of duty. He came after me and it was either hit him with pepper spray or shoot him. I chose the pepper spray first, and it worked....really well.
     
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  15. yankeedoodle

    yankeedoodle Member

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    Apr 12, 2018
    Fraser Valley,B.C.
    The water trick worked for me. I don't recommend wrestling them onto the ground. I had a guy that turned it into a game and it only made it worse.
     
  16. Drayx4

    Drayx4 New Member

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    Oct 1, 2017
    I use a spray bottle with water. My little butthead hates it, so it works. and if I don't have the spray bottle handy, I can just make the spritzing noise between my teeth and that's enough to get him to turn around and go the other way.
     
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  17. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    Make sure you give some kind of Command when your doing it. That way if you, your dad or really anyone has to go in and happen to not have the gun he will still back off. I bought a buck that was never put in his place. They never really had to handle him just open and close a gate. Anyways he was a jerk and this is NOT something I allow. I used a hot shot though but every time he came at me he got nailed and I yelled “back off!” I had to go in his pen this winter and my hot shot croaked on me. He did that head to the side thing at me and I pointed at him and yelled “back off!” And he did.
    As for the smacking it usually doesn’t really work. Look at how hard Goats butt each other even playing and they still come back for more. If it’s a sweet goat you might simply hurt their feelings enough to make them stop but for serious issues like this it’s not even bother them. Whatever is done needs to be something that makes a impression on them. The hate for water usually works. Mine not so much so I just go with the hot shot when someone steps out of line.
     
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  18. mariarose

    mariarose Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    SouthCentralKY, USA
    Please protect your father's knee above your love for your goat. Also, this behaviour can lead to lawsuits, so beware who you allow him to get access to.
     
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  19. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    I agree, safety first. I won't have a doe in our herd that would ever use her horns on a person. My rule here is, if a small child can not go in the pen with a goat, then that goat can't be here with the exception of breeding buck. But a buck is not out with our does outside of breeding season.
    I had to sell a doe I loved/was my baby years ago because she didn't like my daughter.
    If our does don't want to be touched, they run away.

    Your goat is a pet, he's not a breeding animal. That is concerning when safety is an issue.
     
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  20. Dowackado

    Dowackado New Member

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    Mar 18, 2017
    I have two yearlings, doe and wether, who like to jump up on me for cuddles. I allowed it when they were wee, but now, their hooves reach my face. (Hoof on the cheekbone. Dude.) One thing that has worked for me was the consistent push back I gave them when theyd do this. They would jump or start and I would walk away, ignoring bad behaviour. They dont jump up for me as bad and I show them affection by bending down to them. They prefer me around and after a month or so of this, theyre doing better. I hope you can find your way of handling your goats. And I hope it gets better for you!