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Company 1: Free Choice Enterprises
20-Choice Mineral | Free Choice Enterprises, Ltd.

Company 2: Advanced Biological Concepts

Lower Cost start up option - Blog where they repackage into smaller amounts

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So I'm tired of the balance between minerals. I have a friend who orders 20 individual minerals from a company, and she no longer has to supplement anything. It's a higher start-up cost but she's said it's ended up cheaper over the long run. All her goats are gorgeous (I have one that came from this management and have seen the goats in person). They have times of the year where they eat more of one mineral and then not touch it for a while. She doesn't even bolus anymore, they stay topped up and in great condition.

Start-up for me isn't terrible for my 10 goats...about as much as a new goat for me lol. And I plan to build the feeders for them. I'm wondering if anyone else has used the system and what they thought? I feel like between that and a filter on our water (finally found one that does 55,000 gallons, the others were very low and we'd be buying filters constantly) we'd have a better handle on minerals.

ETA: this is the company for anyone interested. 20-Choice Mineral | Free Choice Enterprises, Ltd.
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I want to do this so badly but as you mentioned the cost!!!! I’m going to have to look at this site and see if it’s cheaper then the one I keep debating about paying the $2 a pound to get anything out to me.
But I think if one can afford it it’s worth a shot. I always wonder with the mineral mix how often a goat, say really needs copper but because she is fine on all the other minerals just will not consume them like she should? I watch my goats and what they forage on different times of the year, or when they like one hay over the other and I think they are pretty smart on consuming what the body needs. When they need minerals they eat it, when they don’t they don’t. I have loose selenium salt out for them and it’s the same thing. Sometimes I can keep ahead of it and other times they don’t touch it. So I’m assuming they know best.
So with that mini book there with my thoughts :p I vote if you can do it try it! You never know until you try! The only thing is I’m sure it’s not overly cheap and if they are big bags find a way to keep what you are not using fresh. Or see if someone will split it with you.
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Neat idea but I don't have the space to keep out 20 bowls of minerals. Plus with only 2 goats, just isn't worth it.
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I want to do this so badly but as you mentioned the cost!!!! I'm going to have to look at this site and see if it's cheaper then the one I keep debating about paying the $2 a pound to get anything out to me.
But I think if one can afford it it's worth a shot. I always wonder with the mineral mix how often a goat, say really needs copper but because she is fine on all the other minerals just will not consume them like she should? I watch my goats and what they forage on different times of the year, or when they like one hay over the other and I think they are pretty smart on consuming what the body needs. When they need minerals they eat it, when they don't they don't. I have loose selenium salt out for them and it's the same thing. Sometimes I can keep ahead of it and other times they don't touch it. So I'm assuming they know best.
So with that mini book there with my thoughts :p I vote if you can do it try it! You never know until you try! The only thing is I'm sure it's not overly cheap and if they are big bags find a way to keep what you are not using fresh. Or see if someone will split it with you.
My same thoughts. If they aren't getting enough of one because they get too much of another...with premixed minerals. And sometimes I can stay ahead, and other make me pull my hair out. The cost is def more upfront, but my friend says after they got balanced, it was much cheaper than buying sacked mineral mixes. They go through more of one mineral than others at different times of the year as well as with different hays being brought in. She did say the one they consistently hit is Selenium.

I did ask them about how long they take to go through them. He said it some of them should last us a good few months, others we'll be ordering more of. But that not to worry about them going bad, they'll stay just fine.

I'm either going to build the boxed feeder with 20 slots that has a rubber cover they lift...OR I'm debating making a feeder with the PVC that I can attach to the back of their shelter. That might be a better option....takes up less space as the wooden feeder would sit outside in the pen and they would possibly jump on it. But the pvc pipes, I could just make and attach to their house. I'm going to have to look at that.
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The lady that I learned that they even made individual minerals had hers in PVC pipes. If I ever do get the chance to try it I think that’s what I will go with. I always have plans to just try the copper and selenium first and slowly add it it but it just seems that I have a million different things to buy.
Is this place local for you or do they ship? I’m not finding where you can order and the price. I might have to get on my computer. Sometimes things look different on the screen lol
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Plus with only 2 goats, just isn't worth it.
i didnt know you only had 2 goats! You are so knowledgeable, i figured you had a huge herd! I guess we learn something new every day!
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The lady that I learned that they even made individual minerals had hers in PVC pipes. If I ever do get the chance to try it I think that's what I will go with. I always have plans to just try the copper and selenium first and slowly add it it but it just seems that I have a million different things to buy.
Is this place local for you or do they ship? I'm not finding where you can order and the price. I might have to get on my computer. Sometimes things look different on the screen lol
So I was going to start with copper, selenium, zinc too LOL. But then I thought, well...if they need other minerals, they take in more copper from the premix so then what??

You have to email or call them. Tell them your herd size and location. I don't believe they are local here but they said they have trucks that run to TX and first load shipping is free. If you order less than a certain amount, there is a $50 drop fee and they may coordinate a drop with someone that ordered the minimum and you pick your order up from them.
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I wish I could do this, but shipping to Hawaii is not reasonable.
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If you only have a couple of goats, it would work.
If you only have a couple of goats, it would work.
I think it would too, they'd last way longer with just two.
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i didnt know you only had 2 goats! You are so knowledgeable, i figured you had a huge herd! I guess we learn something new every day!
I used to have a larger herd. I had about 25 goats at peak. Been in goats since 2008.
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Well I know with mine copper and selenium are the two things I battle the most, that’s why I wanted to start there. But you are right I think getting the whole buffet is definitely the better choice. I’m not sure what this place charges but the other it’s $50 for 25# there’s what 10-15 different minerals, that’s $500 right off the bat. And yes it is more money then mixed minerals but it’s not that much, it’s just coming up with that $500 that is killing me lol but it’s not like they will suck down every single mineral at the rate they do the mixed. Ideally it should be the same or a little more but if it keeps them healthy.....
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Ok..on this mineral co. Can you just purchase only the ones you are low on? Your feed carries some..right? So you woildnt need to order those.
Yes every feed has a degree of some minerals in it, but I wouldn’t rely on feed to meet any mineral demand. I am FAR from a expert on minerals so keep that in mind here ;) but you would have to test everything they consume. Even then what is the right amount for them? Also some minerals block other minerals. So what would too much, say iron be for the copper amount they are getting?
Kinda a little fun fact story real fast that I kinda thought was interesting. My parents decided to be farmers and grow hay. They had someone come in and test the soil. I think they have close to 300 acres up there. Anyways it’s all sectioned off into different fields, but all relatively close together. So anyways they took samples out of each of the fields and there was such a difference in different minerals. They also test their hay because they have a dairy that wants hay. Every field tested different as well on protein and other minerals that was in the hay. Now granted they are new to this but how much does one stack of hay that one buys differers from the next?
Ok but back to your question lol technically you can do what you want! If you want to get just a few you can. I would say keep the mixed mineral out though. What jubilee and I were saying though was let’s say you get just copper. That mixed mineral has copper in it. But they also need the 10-20 other minerals in them. If they are good on copper is that going to stop them from consuming the mixed minerals as much as they should because it has copper in it? In the end would you solve one issue just to have another one. Now personally I think I’m going to eventually go for this (I’ve been saying this for years though lol) but there is no way I can buy them all unless this place is very affordable. So I’m going to start with copper and selenium and slowly add to it. Those are the two that I am battling the most. So if in the end if it saves me from Having to buy blouses and selenium salt it’s a win. But it also might end badly and I have other minerals I’m battling. Kinda get what I’m saying? I don’t know for sure what the answer is here though, just thinking
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Right I agree with you. I have minerals out. Yes pregos eat more than any others. My little one take a lick..and i get funny responces from their antics.
I didnt know if what you would feed with adding minerals would decrease? I feed grain to balance out .
Im not saying its bad..it sounds great..i just dont know how much to change by doing all 20 minerals.
Well I know with mine copper and selenium are the two things I battle the most, that's why I wanted to start there. But you are right I think getting the whole buffet is definitely the better choice. I'm not sure what this place charges but the other it's $50 for 25# there's what 10-15 different minerals, that's $500 right off the bat. And yes it is more money then mixed minerals but it's not that much, it's just coming up with that $500 that is killing me lol but it's not like they will suck down every single mineral at the rate they do the mixed. Ideally it should be the same or a little more but if it keeps them healthy.....
Right. They'll probably go through certain ones at first, those will tell you their deficiencies at that time. Other times int he year they'll go through others faster or depending on hay and feed levels. So for my 10 goats, they quoted $441 and that was a bag of each and 2 of phosphorous. I figured I'd add another of copper and selenium. Just because I KNOW those are ones I battle.

That said, that's a kid or two (depending) so I figured I'd try to work it in with kid sales to get started. I really feel like it will improve my herd and hopefully keep the battle with balancing down. I have considered just getting selenium and copper and zinc (because we feed high alfalfa) at first and having it on the side. Currently, we're battling some clicking knees and I was rationing out a pinch of boron on each of their feed....then I thought...just put it out free choice, let them top up what they need, that's what they are doing. Some turned their noses up (those don't have clicking knees) while others took a couple of licks and others a few more. So I can already see this system will be beneficial.

As far as reducing feed, the minerals in the feed really aren't THAT much. Not anywhere what they need. In theory, they will eat in addition to what they're missing from the feed. If you left out just copper, or copper and selenium, I'd still leave the main pre-mix out. Possibly they'd eat that, then additional of the copper if they needed it. It may work well. I just really like them being able to REALLY top up on what they need. I mean what if they need more magnesium for some reason and they aren't getting enough from the pre-mix at that time....so that's where I'm headed with that. I won't change my feed based on it, but whatever the feed or hay is lacking, they will have available to them right there and can make up the difference.

I was also told there is more resistance to parasites. Since they are stocked up on the proper balances of minerals and if they are being fed right, their body can resist better.
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I like the resistance to parasites. Im interested in this. Im just throwing out all kinds of ides. I dont have alot of $$$$ to lose...and I definately dont want any sickness from depriving them of required minerals.
What type of container? The pvc? I saw another post where the pooped & pea'd in a box of minerals, on a post. So any suggestions to prevent that?
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