Well, I decided not to get either of them. I do believe 12 goats is enough, and with 4 standards and 2 kinders milking next year I will have plenty to keep up with.. I would really like to get a Lamancha or 2 though, so maybe if I find ones after the kinder clan sells I might go then. I hope no one thinks I hate my kinders, I do not, they are good goats, but not practical for my needs is all, but I won't sell to just get rid of them. I actually bought them for $50.00 each in milk. Neither of them were in great health when I got them but, they are healthy now. Maybe I am asking too much for them... I'm asking $150.00 bred and was asking $125.00 in milk, maybe I should lower that.