What is he eating, is he drinking ok? Whats his temp? What form is his poop? Is he urinating a full stream & what color is it? Whats his famacha score? Can you post a current picture of him & his drooling? Please?
At a loss - goat drooling - not listeriosis
Hi Everyone,
I have turned to you guys for advice as everyone else is at a loss.
Spinach is 7 years old and about 6 weeks ago he started salivating. It is off and on throughout the day but when its on, its on (quite excessive morning and evenings and treat times). It flows out of the front of his mouth and is clear. When he chews his cud there is often no dribble but sometimes there is a lot of white foam.
Earlier this year I got a new goat as a friend for him as I knew my female, Molly, probably wouldn't make it through the year due to arthiritis.
The new one died of listeriosis after 10 days of getting him (back in April.)
Molly passed in June, Spinach's salivating started 2 weeks prior and within a week of her passing he was very ill with diarrhoea for 3 days.
Vets have been out and they seem uncertain. Have given him penicillin in case of listeriosis and steroids since.
Any ideas what it could be and how I could help him? He is fine in himself but sometimes gags like his food is stuck and hacking coughs like he's dislodging something. He also kind sneezes infrequently too.
Vets thought maybe teeth but vet had a good look and ruled it out when he got bit.
Any ideas what it could be? I really want to help him with it as I am wary of getting him a friend until it clears up in case it is something contagious.
Thanks for all your help in advance.
I have turned to you guys for advice as everyone else is at a loss.
Spinach is 7 years old and about 6 weeks ago he started salivating. It is off and on throughout the day but when its on, its on (quite excessive morning and evenings and treat times). It flows out of the front of his mouth and is clear. When he chews his cud there is often no dribble but sometimes there is a lot of white foam.
Earlier this year I got a new goat as a friend for him as I knew my female, Molly, probably wouldn't make it through the year due to arthiritis.
The new one died of listeriosis after 10 days of getting him (back in April.)
Molly passed in June, Spinach's salivating started 2 weeks prior and within a week of her passing he was very ill with diarrhoea for 3 days.
Vets have been out and they seem uncertain. Have given him penicillin in case of listeriosis and steroids since.
Any ideas what it could be and how I could help him? He is fine in himself but sometimes gags like his food is stuck and hacking coughs like he's dislodging something. He also kind sneezes infrequently too.
Vets thought maybe teeth but vet had a good look and ruled it out when he got bit.
Any ideas what it could be? I really want to help him with it as I am wary of getting him a friend until it clears up in case it is something contagious.
Thanks for all your help in advance.
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Good questions to answer^^ also Did the vet check for a sticker or something stuck in the throat?
How long has he been in steroids and what kind and dose?
Foaming while chewing a cud is most likely the over production of barcsrbonate.
How long has he been in steroids and what kind and dose?
Foaming while chewing a cud is most likely the over production of barcsrbonate.
Hi,
Drinking, pooping fine. Is getting hay down him mostly fine but gagging a little like in the vid. Peeping fine, quite clear if anything. His breath is a bit smelly. Temp normal. He is perfect except for the mouth/throat issue. What do you mean by stickers? My first thought was something is his throat but vets couldnt feel anything.
Videos aren't uploading but I'll keep trying.
Drinking, pooping fine. Is getting hay down him mostly fine but gagging a little like in the vid. Peeping fine, quite clear if anything. His breath is a bit smelly. Temp normal. He is perfect except for the mouth/throat issue. What do you mean by stickers? My first thought was something is his throat but vets couldnt feel anything.
Videos aren't uploading but I'll keep trying.
Oh my poor Spinach. Yes I am able to view the video with the link you posted. I would want the vet to pass a tube down the esophagus to determine that it is free of obstruction all the way to the rumen.
I'd also ask for a sequence of anti-inflammatory, perhaps 3-5 days of Banamine, in case it was an injury to the throat.
I'd also ask for a sequence of anti-inflammatory, perhaps 3-5 days of Banamine, in case it was an injury to the throat.
P.S. How was the diagnosis of Listeriosis given for the new companion that passed? I would assume polio would be much higher likelihood triggered by the stress of change.
The new one was basically paralyised on his right side, only 2 years old. Was drooling, couldn't eat, bling in right eye, face drooping, couldn't lie down. I guessed it was listeriosis due to what I read online. I was with a different vet at the time and again they werent sure (in the UK vets aren't that familiar with goats). Ok, I will suggest the tube. Would he still be able to being cud up with an obstruction?
This may not help, but about 4 years ago, I had a Toggenburg doe yearling, started choking and drooling, foaming and went down. For a week, she couldn't rise. I tried everything. The choking etc was the worst. I cut her hay in small pieces for her to eat, fed soaked beet pulp mixed with soaked alfalfa pellets.
The vet said she would die, but after 3 weeks, she was up and eating much better. I think she had polio along with something in her throat. (I had many other goats at the time, was terrified she was contagious, so, she was isolated in a different barn) I ran a large feeding tube down her throat to her stomach, soon after she improved.
So, maybe cutting hay up in small (4 inch) sections and feeding softer hay might help. Does he eat fast?
The vet said she would die, but after 3 weeks, she was up and eating much better. I think she had polio along with something in her throat. (I had many other goats at the time, was terrified she was contagious, so, she was isolated in a different barn) I ran a large feeding tube down her throat to her stomach, soon after she improved.
So, maybe cutting hay up in small (4 inch) sections and feeding softer hay might help. Does he eat fast?
If he got a weed with sticker in it..it can lodge in the skin when he swallowed...it can fester, swell and cause blockage. I have seen this before with a weed called foxtail. Took having the goat sedated and scoped to find it.. once removed the Doe recovered fully. A vet will need to scope his throat to see if this or another blockage is issue. I agree with an anti-inflammatory to help with the swelling. If the vet finds something and it's infected, he may need antibiotics.What do you mean by stickers
Best wishes
Great thank you. The tube sounds like a good thing to try and we haven't tried that yet. There has been some strange weeds in the garden this year. Is there any risk wigh tubing him (i.e. anything to do with his lungs?)
I may post a couple more vids over the weekend (especially of the foam because it seems excessive and he's never had it before). Thank you for your advice.
I may post a couple more vids over the weekend (especially of the foam because it seems excessive and he's never had it before). Thank you for your advice.
The safest way to push a tube in to dislodge anything that maybe stuck is to take a PVC pipe. Cut about 6 to 8 inches longer than the width of his face..jaw to jaw. Drill a hole down the center of the pipe. Cut a hose that is soft but firm enough to hold shape as you work. It should be wide enough to fit through the hole of the pvc pipe and long enough to get down the throat to about the chest with plenty left to hold onto. Might find it easier to handle it by creating a handle with tape or vet wrap.
Now..place the pvc pipe in goats mouth side to side and far back against the bend in his mouth...feed the hose through the hole of the pvc, hold his heal up a bit to open air ways and give a straight path,, with quick but gentle motion push the hose down his throat and bring it back out.
You can do this without the pvc pipe..just not as easy . Either way you need something to prevent him from biting down on the hose or your fingers.
Now..place the pvc pipe in goats mouth side to side and far back against the bend in his mouth...feed the hose through the hole of the pvc, hold his heal up a bit to open air ways and give a straight path,, with quick but gentle motion push the hose down his throat and bring it back out.
You can do this without the pvc pipe..just not as easy . Either way you need something to prevent him from biting down on the hose or your fingers.
I agree with tubing.
He badly needs his teeth floated. I can see see and hear the issue in your video. You're going to have to find a miniature horse veterinarian who does teeth.
He also needs a cobalt block and a selenium supplement.
He also needs a cobalt block and a selenium supplement.
Really? Oh no, they said he would have to be sedated to get his teeth done and I was hoping to avoid that. Second vet got a good look at his teeth and thought they were good but maybe they are too sharp? He has a horslyx smallholder lick which has selenium in and some other vitamins, but perhaps it isn't enough?
No idea what this is: horslyx smallholder lick
Your goats need a good loose goat or cow mineral and a cobalt block.
Your goats need a good loose goat or cow mineral and a cobalt block.
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