Baby coats are BAD?

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by OwnedByTheGoats, Mar 20, 2013.

  1. Yes, they are bad.

    21.4%
  2. Nope, not bad. I use them all the time.

    78.6%
  1. OwnedByTheGoats

    OwnedByTheGoats Well, my username says it all... :)

    Mar 6, 2013
    Kansas
    Someone just told me that you should not use coats for babies because it will most likely just make them colder. Is that true? This makes me wonder why anyone would ever use them. :confused:
     
  2. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    If the weather is very cold...they are fine..what I have heard is not to over use them or heat lamps since baby need to develop her internal temp control...(im sure there is a fancy name for it lol)
     

  3. Axykatt

    Axykatt New Member

    Jan 31, 2013
    My babies wear coats. In fact, I take them off because my babies get overheated.

    Sounds like one of those unsubstantiated things floating around. If you get cold a coat keeps you warm and layers trap heat and insulate from cold. Maybe ppl let their babies out in too cold temps because they think the coats will keep them warmer than they will?

    I don't buy that coats are bad in the cold.
     
  4. OwnedByTheGoats

    OwnedByTheGoats Well, my username says it all... :)

    Mar 6, 2013
    Kansas
    These are the coats I have, not really coats just an old shirt:
     

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  5. JenVise

    JenVise Jen

    665
    Dec 7, 2012
    Kentucky
    When it's cold I use them for a couple of days, until I know that they can sustain their own temps...Then they come off...I've never had a problem with them.
     
  6. OwnedByTheGoats

    OwnedByTheGoats Well, my username says it all... :)

    Mar 6, 2013
    Kansas
    Well, it is supposed to be 30 degrees and snowing here in the next few days. I just don't want to make them colder. What should I do?
     
  7. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    if they hunch and shiver ..use them : ) should be fine...Like Jen vis said..when its warmer..remove them..Im sure they will be fine : )
     
  8. Axykatt

    Axykatt New Member

    Jan 31, 2013
    That cold she should have a coat! I'd put booties on, too, but the warmer you keep them artificially, the longer it takes them to regulate their own temp. I have the time to fuss over my babies so I'm more likely to over do it. :eek:
     
  9. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    Im an over doer too...: ) better a bit too much than not enough..she looks tiny so the sweater should be fine for her...plenty of time after it warms a bit to start eh internal central heat....
     
  10. TwistedKat

    TwistedKat New Member

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    Dec 27, 2012
    Pacific Northwest
    My kids are less than 2 weeks old and I'm a HUGE worry wort (its clinical, I swear) and when it dropped to 28 degrees here a couple nights ago (from 40+) I watch those babies like a hawk for signs of chill. They didn't seem to need it, played, slept, ate, pooped, played some more, so I figured they were fine. I'd just watch them and if they need it, dress em up.
     
  11. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    good rule of thumb..let the goats tell us what they need...: ) but for us worry warts its hard lol
     
  12. Axykatt

    Axykatt New Member

    Jan 31, 2013
    My central heat is out and we had a cold snap right after the babies were born. The goats had to be moved out of the master bath because the hay for mamma was really exacerbating my asthma (which is worse 'cause I'm 8 months preg) and back into the laundry room. My 15 y/o son went in his room to find a pair of footie pajamas and two extra quilts on his bed with a note that said, "Babies need the space heater more than you, bundle up or take a sleeping bag into your sister's room. Welcome to adulthood! " :p

    And for some reason he thinks I love the goats more than him...
     
  13. oletimer

    oletimer New Member

    12
    Mar 18, 2013
    I use them when it's going to be below freezing and take them off when it's above.
     
  14. FunnyRiverFarm

    FunnyRiverFarm New Member

    Sep 13, 2008
    Hudson, MI
    Yes, "coats" can make them colder. Goats keep warm by puffing up their fur...the air between the hairs makes a nice insulated "blanket" for them. If they have on a coat or a sweater it keeps the hair flat, reducing their natural ability to keep warm. We get sub-zero temps here and I never use coats on kids and very rarely use heat lamps. Healthy kids with good, draft-free shelter and adequate bedding do not need supplemental heat in most cases.
     
  15. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    It's not that coats or even heat lamps are "bad" but you need to know when they should be used. I only use sweaters on kids immediately after birth and only once they are totally dry...if they need them. By that I mean that if it's 5* and the kid is shivering, I'll put a sweater on it.
    I don't use heat lamps but this year I had to break down and use a 90 watt standard bulb in a brooder shield as my one doe decided to spit out 2 tiny kids, each had a sweater as well as the lamp because the temp outside was 15* and they needed to be kept warm as keeping them inside as bottle babies was not an option due to my work.

    Kids need to acclimate their body temps to the outside temps... keeping a coat on them all the time does not allow them to do so and it also crushes their fur, preventing them from fluffing out to create the insulating layer they naturally have between their skin and hair coat.

    A chilled baby uses more energy from it's food to keep warm than it does using that food to stay healthy and grow.... watching to be sure they aren't shivering ensures that they are warmer than you think :)

    Most of my deliveries are in mid February and the temps have varied from below zero to mid 40's and I've never lost a kid yet as I am there with each birth to dry them well and get them eating :)
     
  16. Axykatt

    Axykatt New Member

    Jan 31, 2013
    Wouldn't a loose fitting sweater help insulate without crushing the hair down?

    My goats mostly only wear clothes because I think it's cute. They live in the house and I haven't lived anywhere particularly cold, so it's not an issue for me. So I'm just curious for curiosity's sake.

    Would the breed of goat or climate they were raised in affect the usefulness of a coat or sweater because of the density of their hair?
     
  17. ThreeHavens

    ThreeHavens 7 does - 2 bucks - 1 wether

    Oct 20, 2011
    New Jersey
    The baby I shipped in from Alabama needs a little jacket for the windier days, so no not bad, but shouldn't be over-used. :) If they are over-used, it flattens and thins their coat.
     
  18. GTAllen

    GTAllen Goat Feeder

    Jul 22, 2012
    Walters, Oklahoma
    The wethers seem to get really cold. They don't have any hair. Lamb socks seem to give them a little bit of protection. If a kid is strong and health, I doubt there is a lot of reason to dress them up. Unless, it's for pictures:)
     
  19. OwnedByTheGoats

    OwnedByTheGoats Well, my username says it all... :)

    Mar 6, 2013
    Kansas
    Hmmm... well, a lot of different opinions! I took the sweaters off. If I need to I can put the back on.
     
  20. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    If the kid is shivering and just not acting like a healthy kid should then yes, a sweater would be a good choice but if they don't really need it, a sweater can do more harm than good.