Battling Worms and parasites

Discussion in 'Parasites' started by Boers4ever, Aug 20, 2020.

  1. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
    Ok, so I have a herd of 7 Boers. There are 4 does, 2 kids(1 doeling and 1 buckling), and one buck. Their ages range from 10 weeks to 5 years. They are all battling anemia and worms.
    Two weeks ago I took a 8 week kid to the vet. Her blood cell count was 6. She had an emergency blood transfusion. One week later, she passed away, anemic again.
    When I took her to the vet I also took a fecal of the entire herd. All except for one was heavy with coccidia and worms. For 3 days they were treated with dewormer and coccidia meds. They didn’t work.
    I just took another fecal to the vets and they have all gotten worse. Way worse. Now they are all almost double of what they were. The goat that didn’t have any now as 108. They are giving me valbazen and cydectin (though when she gave it to me she said panacure).
    I will be bleaching their feed troughs and water buckets. We are trying to get another pasture fenced because we have not been rotating pens.
    I’m not sure what else to do. I’ve never had problems with worms before. There is a bunch of vets working together trying to help with this but nothing seems to be working.
    The kids are getting red cell every morning and everyone’s FAMACHA scores are 4 and 5.
    What else can I do? I’m just so stressed out right now. School starts next week and I won’t have as much time to take care of them. Is there any natural stuff I can give them along with the dewormer? Please don’t hesitate to share. At this point I am willing to do anything. Help please.
     
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  2. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    What kind of wormer, dosage and what was used for cocci?

    What worm type?

    Do they have free choice loose salt and minerals?

    Copper deficiency can cause parasite overload too.
     

  3. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    Like Pam said, we will need to know exactly how you treated them.

    How big of an area are they on? Is it a dry lot or pasture?
     
  4. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    We need to know the names of wormers used.
     
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  5. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    We also need to know what mineral you give and any additional supplements.
     
  6. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
    I’ll have to dig back for the coccidia meds. But they got three days of panacure dewormer, oral.
    They get mannapro goat minerals free choice. They also get calf manna and apple treats with probiotics mixed with their feed.
    They are currently in a pretty small pen so I’m sure that I asked for the worms. Little to no browse, but they do get free fed grass hay and alfalfa in the mornings (not the buck though, he just gets hay and a small amount of grain with the same supplements and minerals).
    I am moving them to a brand new pasture first thing in the morning. It’s very tall, green, and juicy. What can I give them to discourage bloat? All of them are vaccinated with CD&T.
     
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  7. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

    575
    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
    Maybe baking soda with their feed to prevent bloat?
     
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  8. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    I advise against deworming and/or putting wormy goats on a fresh pasture. That will just contaminate it in no time. I would get these goats clean before moving them.

    Panacur/Safeguard is practically useless against anything other than tapeworms nowadays. Ivermectin, Cydectin, Moxidectin, and Valbazen are just a few dewormers that would have higher efficiency depending on your area. Dual-deworming from at least two different classes is also an option.
     
  9. jschies

    jschies Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2014
    Be sure that they have enough copper in their systems. That really does make a HUGE difference. We have to use Prohibit (Levimisole) on some of the worms at our place in southeast Texas. We actually experimented with different wormers on different goats over a few weeks and looked at the fecals from them. Cydectin killed Barberpole, only Prohibit killed trichostrongyles. This summer we have given Cydectin and Prohibit together along with copper boluses. It has worked for us.
     
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  10. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    Actually if there is no browse left in their current pen, like literally bare dirt, then keep them there. What you don't want is super short grass that they nibble constantly.

    Is the hay and alfalfa being fed up off the ground?

    Confirm that the vet gave you Valbazen and Cydectin then tell us what dosages you are giving those at.

    Are all these goats related?

    If they have never been copper bolused, get that done ASAP.

    How much hay and grain are they all getting each day?
     
  11. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    The panacur will not treat worms well.

    Doing cydectin and valbazen together will work.

    Definitely copper bolus.
     
  12. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

    575
    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
    Ok I ended up calling my goat vet to ask if I should move them. She and several others looks at pics of the pen and said yes. There is plenty of grass and browse in that pen but they had nibbled it to about 1/2 in. So I moved all the girls.
    I can’t put my buck in with the girls until rut does he is in the old pen by himself. I will be putting my buckling in with him in about two weeks. Until then then I am looking for a very good buck apron.
    Yes the hay and alfalfa is being fed up off the ground. In a cows feed trough. This morning I bleached all the food and water buckets, including the trough.
    I called and asked what they gave me. They gave me one dose of cydectin and one does of panacur. They had already drew them up in syringes for oral. I looked and they gave for both 1 ml per 10#.
    Not all of them are related. I have a mother, a daughter, and a granddaughter in one family group. Then I have a mother and son in another family group. Then I have a buck that is not related to any of them. I forgot that the other doe I have is not a boer. She is ND and Nubian cross I think. So I have 6 Boers and a mix.
    They have never been copper bolused. I will get that done very soon.
    They are getting a loaf of alfalfa, free choice hay (they get a mountain in the morning and they eat it all day), and about 2 quarts of feed including supplements, I’ll have to weigh it. Free choice minerals. The buck gets 1 quart of feed including supplements. And free choice hay also.
     
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  13. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Always deworm on a dry lot or in barn NOT in a fresh pasture.

    The dosages were incorrect and I don’t like panacur even in combos so I’d go grab some valbazen - was the cydectin an oral sheep drench or injectable?
     
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  14. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

    575
    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
    The cydectin is oral. I will grab some valbazen.
     
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  15. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
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    Here are some pics of the the three main dams I have. All pure blood boer.
    The first is 5 yr old. She kidded about 10 weeks ago.
    The second is 2 yr old. She also kidded about 10 weeks ago.
    The third is 3 1/2 yr old. She is not bred nor has she kidded since I have had her. She is the second goat’s dam.
     
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  16. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Yeah they will benefit from copper.
     
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  17. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
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    This is my buck. He is 4 yr old.
     
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  18. 21goaties

    21goaties Well-Known Member

    Mar 13, 2018
    Southern GA
    Do you see them eating their minerals a lot?
    I agree on copper bolusing them all.

    Also need to address parasites and cocci, with the correct dosages/medications.

    Another option could be Bioworma

    We have used Land of Havilah herbals with good results


    For anemia treatment they need red cell daily, as well as b12 injections daily.
    Dosage for red cell is 6cc/100lbs.

    Dosage for the high level B complex (that has 1000 mcg B12 per ml, highest concentration you can get without a prescription) is 12cc per 100lbs.

    This dosage gives the goat the same amount of b12 that they would get from the prescription b12, which has 3000 mcg of B12 per ml. If you can get the prescription kind from your vet then that would be better because you wouldn't have to give such large injections. Dosage for the 3000 mcg kind is 4cc per 100lbs.

    I've also seen people say that a cobalt block helps with anemia.

    Searching the forum can also yield a ton of info.
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2020
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  19. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    All good advice.

    They are sure sunk in, in the flanks.

    They could be dehydrated.
    Do they have fresh water?
     
  20. Boers4ever

    Boers4ever Well-Known Member

    575
    Jun 28, 2020
    East Texas
    They have access to fresh, clean water at all times. Their water tubs get changed and scrubbed every week.
    I have seen them nibbling they’re minerals. They seem to eat more at some times.
    Forgot to add that the mix doe is possibly pregnant. Was exposed to the buck for several days back in the beginning of July.
     
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