When I took Binky back to her breeder to be bred...by a "new bloodline buck" , I was able to get a pic of her sire. He isn't a "show" goat but has a good many "nice bloodlines" behind him, her dam was there, but I couldn't get a decent pic of her. grrrrr, dam is Brush Creek Journey Heres Dawn Acres NC Hotshot As with most pics , it doesn't do him justice. He is longer than her dam a bit taller also. Nice feet as well as a nice escutcheon. Rear pic was impossible to get. I like his color, Binky's dam is a chocolate with very minimal white....odd how Binky and her twin sister are black/white!