Alright I am mighty confused here. I got three doelings a while back from a not so great breeder. Had to pay extra to get papers and so forth. But anyway. All three of them are suppose to be mini Nubians. Two of them (the twins) I can agree look like 1st gen mini Nubians however.... Little bitty Santana is a whopping 18lbs at almost 7 months old. She is so small. I don't know much characteristics of NDs or pigmys but she surely cannot have Nubian in her with her being this tiny. I am thinking the breeder screwed something up. This is her next to our 3 month old gold laced Cochin roo My 3 to daughter is only 25lbs and 35" tall to give you can idea on Santana's size. When I get her out today I will measure her height. Samantha "5 minutes of fresh air is equivalent to 5 mg Valium"