Breeding a small doe to large buck

Discussion in 'Goat Management' started by sound4hound, Jun 15, 2010.

  1. sound4hound

    sound4hound New Member

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    Jun 14, 2010
    Hi! I have 3 mini mancha does. One actually looks like a mini, mini mancha, she's a little bigger than a pygmy. My question is can I breed a mini mancha with a boer? or a nubian? Will the babies be too big for the moms to deliver? My nubian buck may be old enough to breed this fall and I have access to a nubian/boer buck or a full boer buck. We will most likely use the babies for meat, any suggestions on another breed to cross with the mini manchas? Thanks for your input!
    Tammy
     
  2. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    I wouldn't recommend it.... as a boer and nubian bucks can have huge kids...some can have smaller kids ...but the risk in my opinion... is to great......and it would be most likely... that you will have to get them C sections.... or the does could possibility die.... :(
     
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  3. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    I wouldn't reccomend breeding a mini anything with a fullsized buck..as Toth said, the risk is too great if the doe is too small. If you want to breed the mini mancha's so you have milk and the kids for meat, go with a kinder buck...Kinders are a cross of a Nubian doe with a Pygmy buck and would give you a more "meaty" kid, if you don't mind the kids being "dairy" and not very heavy at butchering time, use a Nigerian or a Mini mancha buck.
     
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  4. SDK

    SDK New Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yucaipa ca
    i agree with pam and liz... that's just endangering your animals, my average boer kid weight 9 pounds, with the biggest being 13. whereas my largest mini kid was about 4.5 pounds
     
  5. nancy d

    nancy d Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    near Seattle
    For a 100lb young Boer you wouldnt even use a 250lb Boer buck on her.
     
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  6. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    Agree with the others. Any kids would be really big for a mini doe to have with a standard, there is a definate increased chance that there would be complications. Twins probably would be to big for the doe to successfully deliver and if there is a chance she has a single, there would almost most definately be an issue during delivery. It's just not worth the risk, time, or extra $$ to breed her to a standard buck. Just my two cents.
     
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  7. sound4hound

    sound4hound New Member

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    Jun 14, 2010
    So glad I asked! Thanks for your input. I know it sounds like a common sense question, but I hear one thing from someone that I think knows what their talking about and something else from another. I think I will look around for a pygmy buck.
     
  8. Mully

    Mully New Member

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    Jun 23, 2009
    Mt Ulla , NC
    This happen by mistake to someone i know and the doe kidded at 2am, had complications and died during birth because too much bleeding. The kid made it OK but struggled from lack of O2
     
  9. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    That's what we are here for...... glad to help ..... :wink: :thumb:
     
  10. countrymom

    countrymom New Member

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    Apr 1, 2010
    versailles, MO
    It's good to ask. I know I bred a small doe and I knew better. But I let myself be talked into it by another goater. Her and her baby survived but only because we rushed her to the vets and the doeling was delivered by a c-section. That baby was never going to come out naturally she was just too big. I was breeding a nigerian to a nigerian but the doe was just too small. I learned my lesson the hard way... So if in doubt ask?????
     
  11. nancy d

    nancy d Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    near Seattle
    "When in doubt, ask." Good word Countrymom!

    Tell you what, my first year with Boers my breeder promised me a breeding out of one of her huge mature Boers.
    She told me there was a chance of breaking down her rear legs. We waited till that doe was alot bigger and it was fine, but not as an FF...she was bred to a smaller guy her first time.
    By her second year she could handle the big fella.
     
  12. Holmestead backyard farm

    Holmestead backyard farm New Member

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    Apr 22, 2020
    North Georgia
    What about breeding a mini Lamancha buck with Oberhasli doe or oberhasli/alpine doe..?
     
  13. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    That will be fine. Even if he was full lamancha she should be able to handle that
     
  14. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California