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What are your thoughts on this buck's conformation? Nigerian Dwarf, 3 years old. You can be honest, it won't hurt my feelings. I've been hitting him pretty hard with copper boluses, just waiting for them to kick in.

Also, setting up goats and getting good photos is hard...

Here's Gimli:
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He is very proportional which is good, I also like his depth of chest, but would maybe wish for more angularity in the rear legs and a longer neck. Also this is just my opinion. He’s a handsome boy.
 
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Okie dokie, I am learning to judge, so don't tke my words too seriously! Wait for the pro, @Morning Star Farm

cons I see right away:
His rump is a bit steep
Lacks rear leg angulation
short neck

pros I see right away:
extremely wide!
Deep bodied
shoulder blend smoothly with the rest of is body
nice wrinkly loose skin (but I think that is a buck thing??)
 

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Thanks guys! I’m seeing similar things. He is built like a tank.

I am trying to decide whether to keep him or sell him this year. He’s a very good boy who throws beautiful kids (all buckling this year so far, boo). Right now I’ve got 4 bucks and really don’t need that many, so I’ve got to figure out who to put up for sale. I’m going to get pics of the others too, once I can find time.
 

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Lol! Yes setting up can be really tricky!

Okay, biggest pros
Good length
Excellent body capacity
Prominent brisket
Great masculinity
Decent rump slope
Good dairy character
Lovely height and width in the rear, nice horseshoe shape
Tight front end

Biggest cons
Big, big con, unless it's the way he's set up, he really toes out in the rear legs
He appears to toe out in the front as well
Lacks angulation in rear legs
Needs more dairy character
His wrinkles, dairy skin, should go all the way down his back
@Nigerian dwarf goat dairy skin is on bucks and does, but more prominent on bucks. It leads to better udder texture.
Weak topline, he dips in the chine quite a bit
 

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Thanks guys! I'm seeing similar things. He is built like a tank.

I am trying to decide whether to keep him or sell him this year. He's a very good boy who throws beautiful kids (all buckling this year so far, boo). Right now I've got 4 bucks and really don't need that many, so I've got to figure out who to put up for sale. I'm going to get pics of the others too, once I can find time.
I would look at the does you have and compare his pros to your girls' cons and to what you are looking for in future kids. This way you can see what might improve in the kids. If he has what a lot of your girls lack, I would keep him. That is unless another buck you have would help more.
 
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He definitely toes out, I didn’t really set him up for the pic from behind, that’s how he stopped.

He’s our first buck but I actually think he’s the least nice conformation wise. Seems very meaty and not very dairy. I actually haven’t retained any of his kids yet, but when you throw all bucklings it doesn’t make me want to keep them, lol.

MellonFriend, definitely great to be learning, I’m learning too. Feel free to pick him apart, he can take it!
 

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When you guys use the term toes out, do you mean his hooves spread too much? I’m also learning.
 
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I would look at the does you have and compare his pros to your girls' cons and to what you are looking for in future kids. This way you can see what might improve in the kids. If he has what a lot of your girls lack, I would keep him. That is unless another buck you have would help more.
The biggest thing my does are lacking as a herd is the nice arched eustation and the flat rump. I don't think Gimli will help much in those areas.

I've got to get my girls all shaved up too and get pictures to really evaluate them.
 

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When you guys use the term toes out, do you mean his hooves spread too much? I'm also learning.
Look at where his toes are pointing in the photo from behind. They don't point straight forward, they point out instead. Some of that could be my not great trimming jobs (still learning, I apologize to my goats a lot), but it's not likely solely that.
 

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Look at where his toes are pointing in the photo from behind. They don't point straight forward, they point out instead. Some of that could be my not great trimming jobs (still learning, I apologize to my goats a lot), but it's not likely solely that.
Oh makes sense. I have a doe that does that. Her hooves grow so much faster than the rest of my herd's and I have been unable to correct it so this somewhat explains that. Thank you for explaining.
 

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He definitely toes out, I didn't really set him up for the pic from behind, that's how he stopped.

He's our first buck but I actually think he's the least nice conformation wise. Seems very meaty and not very dairy. I actually haven't retained any of his kids yet, but when you throw all bucklings it doesn't make me want to keep them, lol.

MellonFriend, definitely great to be learning, I'm learning too. Feel free to pick him apart, he can take it!
You did a pretty good job setting him up!
Yes, that's a good way to describe him, much more meaty than dairy. I wouldn't keep him based on that and feet and legs. They are a huge part of the scorecard especially in a buck.
 

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I should probably post pictures of my bucks one day too. It’s so helpful to have another person say what they like and dislike about them.
 
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You did a pretty good job setting him up!
Yes, that's a good way to describe him, much more meaty than dairy. I wouldn't keep him based on that and feet and legs. They are a huge part of the scorecard especially in a buck.
Thanks! He was pretty cooperative in setting up. I tried to get another one photographed tonight and he just didn't want to cooperate. Probably because we just had some girls in heat so his mind was elsewhere.

We probably will end up putting him up for sale. I think my does are nicer than he is so that means it is time for him to find a new herd where he can improve someone's does. Makes me sad but can't keep them all.
 

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We probably will end up putting him up for sale. I think my does are nicer than he is so that means it is time for him to find a new herd where he can improve someone's does. Makes me sad but can't keep them all.
I think that's a smart decision. Ideally you want the buck's dam to be nicer than any doe in your herd at that time. There are a lot of really nice Nigerian bucks in Kentucky too.
 

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@Morning Star Farm I was trying to correct it with hoof trimming previously, but after she explained the term I was saying that my doe probably just has toes that naturally splay out as hoof trimming was not working.
 
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