Calves and kids sick and dying

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  1. Apr 20, 2020 #1
    lovinglife

    lovinglife Active Member

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    I have 6 kids, all almost weaned, doing great, had the cocci prevention and worming, fine yesterday now sick and wobbly and dying today. I also have a one month a two week old calves born here, were doing great, bought two calves from a friend who raises beef cows last week now they are also sick and dying along with my two born here. Ideas? No vets can get here until late this afternoon.
     
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  3. Apr 20, 2020 #2
    Sfgwife

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    I would guess there have found something poisonous and are eating it. Or if it started after those calves came they brought something with them.
     
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  5. Apr 20, 2020 #3
    SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

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    Oh my gosh I'm so sorry. Are all four calves and all the goat kids living in the same areas or two separate places? Do you suspect the two new calves brought something?

    Sounds like it is fast acting whatever it is. Does the wobbling seem neurological or just weak?

    I'd check the rectal temp, FAMACHA score, and give B-Complex to every goat kid.

    Have you opened any new feed bags that they are all getting this week?
     
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  6. Apr 20, 2020 #4
    SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

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    I guess I'd also be tempted to give activated charcoal to all in a hail Mary , won't really hurt them if it's not an ingested toxin.
     
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  7. Apr 20, 2020 #5
    lovinglife

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    No new feeds, honestly I do suspect the new calves, we "thought" they were fine after the first few days so we put them out side with the others and needless to say we were wrong. They have poor balance and it does seems neurological. I'm just sick...
     
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  8. Apr 20, 2020 #6
    Goatzrule

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    What is there living set up like? Does it seem lie Floppy kid syndrome?
     
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  9. Apr 20, 2020 #7
    lovinglife

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    They have a bedded shelter and outdoor run with water and hay. They are wobbly when they get up and lose their balance and flop over, heads are weaving a little, eyes still bright not twitching, the calf that died his muscles were shaking, no one was dehydrated, though they may be getting that way. We got two calves to drink some electrolytes, not offering milk until the vet gets here. We gave them probios and MU Se.
     
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  10. Apr 20, 2020 #8
    toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Could be white muscle disease.

    Do they have free choice loose minerals?

    Get a necropsy done, that will let you know what it is.
     
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  11. Apr 20, 2020 #9
    lovinglife

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    Would that hit everyone at once? I gave the selinium gel, only the ones in this pen are sick, I have two kids in a different pen and they are fine "still". This happened overnight, from bouncing happy healthy kids to sick and dying this morning.
     
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  12. Apr 20, 2020 #10
    lovinglife

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    we plan to send the one in as soon as we get the vet out.
     
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  13. Apr 20, 2020 #11
    Sfgwife

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    Did you bust open a new bale of hay?
     
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  14. Apr 20, 2020 #12
    lovinglife

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    My husband feeds, I am sure he did, we go through a lot of hay. We don't feed moldy hay, anyway that we know of.
     
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  15. Apr 20, 2020 #13
    Sfgwife

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    If he opened a new bale and then this started i would dump that one and get a new one. Not worth the risk.
     
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  16. Apr 20, 2020 #14
    Tanya

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    Oh I am so sorry. It is terrible to feel helpless
     
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  17. Apr 20, 2020 #15
    lovinglife

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    The worst!
     
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  18. Apr 20, 2020 #16
    lovinglife

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    Took our one live calf to the vet, he was too busy to come out, also took one kid. I will update tomorrow when I know more.
     
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  19. Apr 20, 2020 #17
    happybleats

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    Ugh. Worse nightmare ever! Check your hay for toxic weeds or dead animal baled up in it. Anyone survive? I would treat for toxins. Activated charcoal..Cd antitoxin and B complex.
     
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  20. Apr 20, 2020 #18
    ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I'm so sorry. I hope you get an answer from the vet.
     
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  21. Apr 20, 2020 #19
    Sfgwife

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    What did the vet say?
     
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  22. Apr 20, 2020 #20
    Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

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    Oh man. That is horrific. So many diseases go through your mind. Where do you start. The vet should be able to answer once he gets started on them hope he can give you a solid answer. Good luck! Sending prayers!
     
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