Can I get your help/opinions on this please?

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by keren, Jun 3, 2009.

  1. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    I'll try and keep this as brief as possible but give you the details you need. Its still gonna be long, sorry

    Here at the south east of Australia we have three 'big' shows, which I would class as majors, state and national level. They are Canberra and Sydney Royal in February and April, and Melbourne in September.

    Now, Melbourne is basically my 'biggest' show in terms of how many animals I bring, how much publicity we get from it, etc, and because of that, we pull out all the stops to bring large teams. I take sheep, cattle, boer and angora goats, I am usually there for the entire 2 - 2.5 weeks, not an easy thing to do as I have to organise people to look after the animals at home, and people to bring up and take home animals as they are on exhibition for different days - not the entire show, depending on species and breed.

    My problem is with the angoras. Now as you know, I have all breeds of goats but specialise in Angoras. I get a LOT of publicity from exhibiting them at Melbourne. Last year, every day all day I would just be talking to the public, non stop, getting animals out for them to pat, showing them fleeces and knitted products etc.

    The angora section isnt huge, but its always been there.

    2006 - 12 exhibits, 2 exhibitors
    2007 - no exhibits/exhibitors
    2008 - 5 exhibits, 2 exhibitors

    Now, last year, myself and the other exhibitor (we are good friends) said that we'd try and pull out all the stops for 2009, bring larger teams. I've got a team of 10 animals, which is not an easy thing to do, as they have to be shorn seperately to all the rest to get the fleeces right, and I have to keep the shedded, they cant have pasture, browse or hay, just chaff and pellets, to keep the fleece clean. Its a helluva lotta work and a ridiculous amount of money. The other exhibitor doesnt have as many goats and has a team of 3.

    Any way, the schedule arrived in the mail a couple days ago, and the angora classes had been taken off the schedule.

    What follows is the exchange of emails:

    I sent:
    And this is what I received:

    And this is what I sent back:

    What do you guys think of this situation? And am I handling it the right way? Is there anything else I could do?

  2. sealawyer

    sealawyer New Member

    May 31, 2009
    Dew, Texas
    Are there a lot of other breeders that would like to participate, but do not want to go through the extra work involved with showing the angora breed? You need to get a group of breeders together and create a consensus and take your concerns to the show board. Try to get the rules amended to where they don't have to jump through so many hoops to participate in the shows, then try to get the breed re=established at the shows. With the ease of showing the stock and an increased demand from your fellow angora breeders they may bring them back for the shows. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease! Especially when there are a lot of squeaky wheels!

  3. Dreamchaser

    Dreamchaser New Member

    Oct 29, 2008
    Camp Verde, AZ
    They might be receptive to at least having them on display. I don't think that they can go wrong there, I am of course assuming that the breeders clean up after their own animals after the show. (I have no idea, because I haven't ever shown an animal before) But if there is no extra work for them, I think that it would be a plus. Esspecially if the goat's products bring interest to the show. Are you able to sell any of your fibers there?
  4. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    wow.....that is so unfair.... :( have done alot of work and put in alot of time and money into them....and to have 10 :shocked: ......that should be enough, for them to let you at least display cut the class out all together is just plain mean......I don't see costs them... "associated and the increasing need for space in the pavilion" :scratch:
    You seem to be going about the right way... in your e-mails...... :hug:
  5. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    my biggest gripe is that they hold classes for breeds in various species which are less supported than the angoras, but those are still in the schedule. so why bump the angoras?

    I have no problem, and I agree with other shows who have said - to have breed classes you have to have 10 or more exhibits. I think this is completely fair - and its uniform to every species and breed.

    But to knock off the angoras but leave other breeds that show only a couple head each year ... just doesnt seem fair to me.
  6. RowdyKidz

    RowdyKidz Senior Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    NW Ohio
    That isn't fair. At all. That makes me extremely frustrated that people can be like that. That would make me VERY :veryangry: !

    Our fair offers Angora and Fainting goats but there has yet to be any. :shrug: I suppose it is certain people.

    Very sorry, hopefully they will bring it back. :pray:
  7. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    I know................ that sucks.......... :(
  8. nancy d

    nancy d Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    near Seattle
    You have handled this VERY appropriatley and professionally.
    Here if its a fair, they WANT as many animals as possible on display. If there are empty pens, we have to take the divider fence down so there are no empties.
    Whats good for you is also good for the sponser.
    Know what? When we were first looking for Boer goats we kept checking our local fair for the Boer goat exhibition.
    They had it but was never advertised.
    We wound up buying some 400 miles away
    Keep on them, it is in their best interest to represent as many breeds as possible, even if a "show" is not possible because of lack of entries.
  9. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    glad to hear I've been handling it okay. I'd had a really bad day and I was worried I came off badly in that last email. I'm trying to stay as professional and positive as I can, even though I'm majorly p'd off with this show.

    I guess, the problem is this show seems to want to phase the animals out. three years ago they put in this you beaut new shed they've called the 'livestock pavilion' - before that, there were four cattle sheds, three sheep sheds and 2 goat sheds. Heaps and heaps of room for everyone. Well they knocked them all down and put in this big shed which was supposed to hosue everything, but its only as big as 2 of the cattle sheds!

    AND then, they start saying that we need more space, we need more space, we have too many entries, when they have this huge great empty space around the coffee shop and news-stand, you could fit another 100 goats or 50 odd cattle in there, and still have space for people to sit and drink their coffee and read the paper!

    It doesnt seem to make any sense!

    This supposedly fantastic new shed they built is hopeless ... the floor is so slippery, every year they have injuries to cattle. The first year in the new shed, I led the first heifer off the truck and all four of her legs went in all four directions, she went down hard and didnt get up for 15 mins. Last year I watched a hereford cow step off a trailer and go face first into the concrete, knocked half her teeth out, blood everywhere. There is also not enough tie rails, wash bays, dry grooming areas, the taps inside the shed dont have drains under them (how stupid is that?) and they are placed in really weird spots, like in the middle of the feed aisle (so someone's grain and hay gets all wet) or in the middle of someone's stalls (so not only do their stalls get really wet, they constantly have other people walking in between their animals and disturbing them).

    They seem to be moving slowly from a show that was all about the exhibitors (5 years ago or so) to a show that only wants a couple cows, sheep, pigs and goats for the public to look at, and couldnt give a hoot about the exhibitors. :(
  10. prairiewolf

    prairiewolf New Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    southeast Kansas
    What a disappointment for you! I think you handled it very well. I hope they will change their minds.
  11. Dreamchaser

    Dreamchaser New Member

    Oct 29, 2008
    Camp Verde, AZ
    Not letting the angoras in, would that be considered discrimination? Perhaps they just have a hard time finding judges for them?
  12. RowdyKidz

    RowdyKidz Senior Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    NW Ohio
    :( Sorry Keren.

    Oh, and in my previous post I forgot to ad that you are handling the situation VERY WELL. :applaud:
  13. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Update! :greengrin:

    I sent this email today:

    And received this reply:

    So now I'm :leap: :cool: :dance: :clap: :stars: :wahoo: happy dancing! This is fantastic news! I'm so excited!
  14. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    well I am happy for you
  15. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    wonderful news.......Congrats.... :leap: :leap: :leap: :greengrin: :stars: :wahoo: :thumbup: :dance: :cool: :cool: :cool:
  16. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    reading through this I realized how good our fair is, although they dont have any boer breeders except me and I only have 10.

    I think you handled it very nicely, and it paid off...I'd want to go to the fair board to see if they will update the new barns, because I wouldnt want any animals to get hurt, maybe put shavings down or something so the floor isnt so slippery.

    anyway I'm happy for you!!!! :clap: good job
  17. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    thanks guys :greengrin: mum commented this morning I look like I slept with a coat hanger in my mouth last night

    I dont think they will resurface the floor, too expensive. they are putting sand down but they dont put enough, and it makes it worse :roll: its not too bad for the goats and sheep, just the cattle its a problem for, so we just try to take them slow and steady. of course, thats not always possible with young heifers coming off the truck a million miles an hour, their first show, or an angry cow looking for her calf lol
  18. RowdyKidz

    RowdyKidz Senior Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    NW Ohio
    That's fantastic!!! :leap: :clap: :stars: