CD+T Frequency

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FarmerDad

Discussion Starter · Dec 30, 2021

Is there... an overdose? to frequent? I'm pondering the spacing of the CD+T vaccine, and it has raised some questions.

Nominally, the vaccine is given once a year (in the spring, for me) to each goat in the herd and to newborns at 6 weeks and again a month after that. But what if...

I hear that does should be given the vaccine 30 days before giving birth. Does that mean I shouldn't give the vaccine to my does in the spring with the rest of the herd if I plan on breeding her that summer/fall? Should she just get a second vaccine when she's a month out? For the kids, what if some life event happens and I'm not able to give the 2nd shot at one month? Do I just "give it whenever" or do I have to start over again with the 2-shots-a-month-apart program? What if I'm unsure of a goat's immunization history? Is there such a thing as "to much vaccine"?

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GoofyGoat

· #2 · Dec 30, 2021

I coincide my CDT’s with my normal kidding schedule and fudge it a bit if it’s close. I try to kid in Feb so I give my CDT’s in Jan. If I have a doe due in March, then that doe will get it in Feb. most of the times this works well. If a situation comes up where they need two in a year but more than six months apart I‘ll go ahead and give it. I know an old school farmer who does half doses every six months “ to keep it fresh in their system” I’m not sure about the validity of that but it works for him.

if I bring a new goat in and I don’t know their history they get it and a booster in 3 weeks. No exceptions.

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ksalvagno

· #3 · Dec 30, 2021

I started out doing it a month prior to kidding but got tired of dosing individually. I went to doing it same time every year for everyone. I do fall since that is when I would breed. No trouble with kids.

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Jessica84

· #4 · Dec 30, 2021

I had asked the vets at valley vet this since I had purchased some goats without much history years ago and he said no you can not give it to them too often. They could have had the vaccine yesterday and if you give it again today they will be fine. A lot of people who’s stock live in a higher stress situation will give all vaccines are times of stress. When they are hauled, weaned, things like that.
So this is what I do: all my does get the vaccine 30 days before the 1st doe is due. I also am not vaccinating one or two every day or few days to hit that exact 30 days. Any kid I keep gets it when they are 2 months old then the booster. Then they are added to the mix of 30 days before the first doe even though they are not even prego. By doing this though sometimes it hits right at a year, sometimes a little early or a little late. But to me it’s close enough

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GoofyGoat

· #5 · Dec 30, 2021

^^^yep everyone in Jan. With a rare exception of the odd doe

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FarmerDad

Discussion Starter · #6 · Dec 30, 2021

So, there were a lot of great replies and even advise indirectly from a vet. Thank you everyone. All that's left is the booster question. I'm asking because I actually had a family situation that kept me from direct, personal care of our kids so they missed the 30-day booster (and I am the only shot-giver in the family). Does it matter if the booster was 90-days instead? I read somewhere that if the goat doesn't get two shots 30-days apart at some point in their life, all the yearlies and pre-freshing doses in the world won't do a lick of good... other sources that seem to not be concerned. None of the sources are vets.

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Jessica84

· #7 · Dec 30, 2021

I would just go ahead and do a third dose 3-4 weeks after you did the last one. I’m sure those two did do something but just to be on the safe side

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Lamancha Lady

· #8 · Dec 31, 2021

What I don't like about the CD+T is that tetanus vaccine is good for 10 year, so why give it every year or more as some people do. Would CD not be better?

FarmerDad

Discussion Starter · #9 · Dec 31, 2021

Is there a CDw/oT vaccine option? I didn't see any in my local TS which is where I get my vaccines.

Lamancha Lady

· #10 · Jan 1, 2022

FarmerDad said:
Is there a CDw/oT vaccine option? I didn't see any in my local TS which is where I get my vaccines.

I'm not sure if TS will have it, but you can get it online. Shop C & D | Vaccines | Goat & Sheep Supplies at Valley Vet Supply

FarmerDad

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 2, 2022

Lamancha Lady said:
What I don't like about the CD+T is that tetanus vaccine is good for 10 year, so why give it every year or more as some people do. Would CD not be better?

I've been thinking about this. I know the human tetanus vaccine lasts 10 years but does the goat? Maybe that's why "everybody" recommends yearly boosters. I did some (very light) Internet research on this question. I didn't find an answer to "how long the vaccines lasts." I did find a case where two different animals (sheep and goats) would receive different rabies boosters. There is no vaccine authorized for goats by the US, but there have been some research using sheep rabies vaccines. It seems that sheep can go 3 years between boosters while goats would need the vaccine every year. Could it be similar for tetanus in that vaccines last a decade in humans but only a year in goats? I'll have to ask my vet when next we visit.

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Moers kiko boars

· #12 · Jan 2, 2022

From the Drs at Langston University. The goats system itself is faster than any other livestock. Their stress and eating habits and system contribute to the 1st injection needing a follow up in 21 to 28 days. Then yearly as a booster. It overlaps and allows for humans forgetting, pregnancies, or just plain forgetting.

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toth boer goats

· #13 · Jan 3, 2022

It is best to do goats yearly to protect them.

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Goats Rock

· #14 · Jan 3, 2022

Goats systems are very different than people's and other animals. (like Moers kiko boars posted). CDT shots help protect against clostridium diseases C and D and also tetanus, but, they
do not offer 100% protection. That is why, after a deep cut, or possibly an overeating event (getting into chicken feed, etc) you have to do the antitoxin shot then start the cdt shot sequence over again.

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Buck Naked Boers

· #15 · 3 mo ago

Goats Rock said:
Goats systems are very different than people's and other animals. (like Moers kiko boars posted). CDT shots help protect against clostridium diseases C and D and also tetanus, but, they
do not offer 100% protection. That is why, after a deep cut, or possibly an overeating event (getting into chicken feed, etc) you have to do the antitoxin shot then start the cdt shot sequence over again.

I read this and thought then why not just vaccinate if they get a deep cut which hardly ever happens and or on the off chance they get into feed.

I haven’t vaccinated my goats for cdt for quite awhile. I got a very bad batch once and all of them were reacting very strangely. It freaked me out. And I know others who don’t vaccinate too. So I thought why am I doing this!? I don’t have chicken feed and am very careful with my goats not getting into other feed as we keep the feed in a tack room.

I did have a goat recently who had a weird thing happen and ended up in Hosp and they gave cdt shot or cd shot. But normally we don’t vaccinate.

They seem to be very healthy.

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GoofyGoat

· #16 · 3 mo ago

It takes about two weeks for the body to assimilate the CDT vaccine and for it to work properly so if an animal got a deep wound then Tetnus would have two weeks to get a foothold and make the animal sick. That’s why you need to give antitoxin right away to an animal with an overdue or questionable vaccine date.

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Buck Naked Boers

· #17 · 3 mo ago

GoofyGoat said:
It takes about two weeks for the body to assimilate the CDT vaccine and for it to work properly so if an animal got a deep wound then Tetnus would have two weeks to get a foothold and make the animal sick. That’s why you need to give antitoxin right away to an animal with an overdue or questionable vaccine date.

Yeah so that’s another reason I don’t vaccinate. It always seems like we need to give the antitoxin to cover them anyway. Even if they are supposedly covered by vaccine. So I’d rather just give them the antitoxin in those rare situations. But it’s a personal decision just like humans choosing to vaccinate.

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GoofyGoat

· #18 · 3 mo ago

Buck Naked Boers said:
Yeah so that’s another reason I don’t vaccinate. It always seems like we need to give the antitoxin to cover them anyway. Even if they are supposedly covered by vaccine. So I’d rather just give them the antitoxin in those rare situations. But it’s a personal decision just like humans choosing to vaccinate.

I agree, I always try to have both antitoxins on hand but with the new laws! It’s getting harder and harder to get CD antitoxin.
As a rule, I’m a cautious vaccine person I don’t take new vaccines till they’re out for about 10+ years and all the kinks are out. There’s no repercussions for the pharmaceutical companies if their vaccines do harm so for me the proof is in the puddin….

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Buck Naked Boers

· #19 · 3 mo ago

GoofyGoat said:
I agree, I always try to have both antitoxins on hand but with the new laws! It’s getting harder and harder to get CD antitoxin.
As a rule, I’m a cautious vaccine person I don’t take new vaccines till they’re out for about 10+ years and all the kinks are out. There’s no repercussions for the pharmaceutical companies if their vaccines do harm so for me the proof is in the puddin….

That’s a good rule to have.

I didn’t know they are getting more difficult to buy! That’s not good!

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GoofyGoat

· #20 · 3 mo ago

Buck Naked Boers said:
That’s a good rule to have.

I didn’t know they are getting more difficult to buy! That’s not good!

I’ve been looking for CD antitoxin for weeks as mine expires next month but so far no luck…everyone’s back ordered😣😩

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