Charlotte update

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by keren, May 5, 2009.

  1. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    she expected the results either today or tomorrow.

    charlotte is looking worse today than yesterday :worried: and I havent seen her pass anything at all for a few hours now. She's given up on squatting and trying to pee, basically she is just laying down and heaving (like they do when they are kidding). She doesnt want to walk around or even stand much. No interest in food or water.

    The vet does farm calls from 12noon till 2pm, its now 1pm and once she is back in the office I'm gonna call her, maybe ask again about the catheter, and what we can do to make her more comfortable.
     
  2. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    I do pray that she gets better....and it is odd that your vet wouldn't catheterize her, I thot that the does urethra was straighter than a bucks and would be easier to pass a line through. At least she is getting some out and hopefully it is enough to keep her from a rupture.
     

  3. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    that was my thought on the matter, too :shrug:
     
  4. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    I think it would be in Charlottes best interest to persuade the vet to cath her...at least then you will have given her chance for relief even if it doesn't work. :hug:
     
  5. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    yep, I'll do that soon as 2pm rolls round ...
     
  6. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    I agree...... it is at an emergency state now....she needs relieved... :hug:
     
  7. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    called the office, Stacey (my vet) isnt expected back until 3pm, its 2.30pm now, so I'll call again in another half hour ...
     
  8. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, question?

    just heading into the vet with her now, going to ultrasound and x ray the bladder to try to find stones or adhesions, then put in a catheter. depending on what we see it might mean surgery. hopefully not euthanasia. but right now the vet agrees we need to do a catheter before the bladder ruptures because if that happens its definitely euthanasia time.

    i will update later
     
  9. keren

    keren owned by goats

    Oct 26, 2008
    Australia
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    Well almost 6 hrs later I am home.

    Its not good news.

    I took her in and Stacey (the vet) put the ultrasound on her, found the bladder, it had not ruptured so that was good, was sort of 3/4 full not bursting (she actually managed to piddle when we got there, think the truck ride stirred things up a bit). Stacey couldnt see any stones in the bladder, or any adhesions.

    The results had not come back from the lab but Stacey rang them up to try and hurry them up, and basically they found no bacteria etc. in the urine. Which meant there was no urinary tract infection. Which is bad, because UTI would be simple and treatable.

    So she decided to catheterise her, because she needed to be relieved before the bladder did rupture. She got out the normal catheter and couldnt get it in. A slightly smaller one also couldnt go in. Then she tried a tiny tiny one for tom cats, about as thick as a 19g needle. That wouldnt go in either. She asked David, the senior vet, to try but he couldnt get it in either.

    Basically what we are dealing with is a constriction of the urethra (or is that ureter? I can never remember which word is correct) so that the tube is just a tiny tiny hole and thats why she's not getting much out.

    We discussed surgery as a possibility but Stacey was not sure how successful that would be - my vet does not specialise in goats - they are a mixed practice of large and small animals but goats arent all that common around here. Stacey has never dealt with goats except for the ones I bring in and I think one other breeder (who I dont know) takes her goats there. This particular problem is certainly not something she's ever experienced.

    So we called Sydney University Vet Hospital at Camden - they are both a standard and specialised vet centre and they are the only goat specialist I know of. They did a lot of work on a very famous and valuable Boer buck called Big Bucks Stone Cold about 5 yrs ago - he got UC and they operated several times and gave him 5 more years before he died. Anyway, Stacey called them and asked their opinion. Basically, they confirmed that she should have been able to pass the catheter easily, and so the constriction diagnosis is correct. She asked them about surgery - they said the position it is in, its basically impossible to do surgery. They suggested to add another antibiotic to the mix - she's on TetraVet which is an oxytetracycline, and now also Trisoprim, a sulfanomide. They also suggested to give Flunixil (sp?), an anti-inflammatory and pain relief.

    The hope is that maybe, maybe, with a bit of anti-inflammatory this problem will resolve itself; but it seems highly doubtful. I will be taking her back Monday for re-assessment, we will ultrasound the bladder again and remove urine via a needle through the abdomen if necessary.

    But basically, we are looking at a problem that cannot be treated, and is unlikely to resolve itself.

    Unless a miracle happens, it looks like we will euthanase her on Monday. That is, if she makes it that far and doesnt die overnight or gets worse during the weekend (Stacey is on call all weekend so we agreed if she does get worse I will call and bring her in again, for reassessment, draining and/or euthanasia).

    This has been a really hard day :tears:
     
  10. Di

    Di Crazy Goat Lady

    Jan 29, 2008
    central PA
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    I've been following this sad saga...I'm so sorry for you and your doe. :hug: I'm sure she knows you are doing everything possible to save her. Good luck, I'll be :pray: for you both.
     
  11. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    oh Keren I am so sorry to hear this will be praying for a miracle for you and the goats sake
     
  12. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    I was so hopingto hear a different outcome, you have tried your best and you really can't do much more except make her comfortale and hope the meds bring down the swelling. I pray that she can pull through, if not then she will always be greatful for what you have done for her. :hug:
     
  13. RunAround

    RunAround New Member

    Feb 17, 2008
    Massachusetts
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    I am praying for her. :pray:

    Hopefully the pain meds will help. :hug: :hug:
     
  14. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    Miracles do happen with ....The power of Prayer ...... :pray: :hug:

    Dear Lord... please help this doe and help the vet to find a solution... so that this doe ...will be OK and live a long ......happy and healthy life....Amen :pray:

    My heart goes out to you keren.... :hug:
     
  15. cdtrum

    cdtrum New Member

    Aug 25, 2008
    Northern Indiana
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    I am so sorry Keren, I to have been following this thread so hopping for good news.....my heart is sad for you, but miracles DO happen! We have friends that just had to put their 13yr old dog down this week and she asked me why do I keep getting animals when it just breaks your heart when something happens......I told her that they bring sooooo much joy to my life, that I just love them and take as best care of them as I can while I'm blessed to have......even with the heart breaks of losing one from time to time, I can not imagine life without them.....If she doesn't pull through know that you gave her the best life and that you did everything you could for her.
    Take care and thoughts are with you :hug: , Denise
     
  16. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    sounds like she might be having muscle spasms of the urethra or even a swelling for some reason. Can they tap the bladder from external? We used to do that for sterile catch and is not difficult at all.

    Also, a steroid could help with a swelling and a muscle relaxer - it is worth a shot!
     
  17. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    Keren, I am so sorry to hear this. How old is this doe? Did this just start this? My heart goes out to you and I hope she gets better and fast. :hug:

    My first thought really was UC, but if they did not find anything in the Ultra Sound then I guess not.
     
  18. rgbdab

    rgbdab New Member

    252
    Nov 26, 2007
    TEXAS
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    Very sorry the news wasn't better. Just know you are doing all you can for her and it is in Gods hands.

    Anti-inflammatory is a good option and just might help so stay positive.

    I wonder if some kind of smooth muscle relaxer would help? It can relax spasms so maybe........ ?

    Best of luck to you and Charlotte.

    Denise
     
  19. RowdyKidz

    RowdyKidz Senior Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    NW Ohio
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    I am so sorry Keren. :hug: :hug: :hug: It's frustrating when an animal under you're care is/was suffering and you don't know what the problem is/was. Been there done that.
    And it doesn't get any easier.

    I pray you can find out what's wrong and fix her. :pray: for her best interest. :tears:
     
  20. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Re: Doe straining to urinate, went to the vet, bad news

    Don't give up on her yet keren.... Pray :pray: .....

    Allison ...does have some great advice there..... it just might work.. :hug: :pray: