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I could rehome her to a non-breeding farm, but I feel now that any breeding animals I bring in will be exposed also, so I fear I will never be able to have a goat in milk for our family's use. My neighbor's goats are CL positive now as well, and they share a fence line.
Not necessarily. CL is not difficult to clean up until it gets in the soil or on wooden surfaces. As for your neighbors goats, a double fence with about a foot or so between them will keep your goats from coming in direct contact with their goats. CL is not airborne unless the abscess is in the animals lungs. It is not passed through milk unless there is an abscess in the animals udder. Goats generally develop external abscess, not internal. In most cases, CL requires direct contact with broken skin to infect.
 

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depressing: the pen is heavily treed, very rocky, etc.
 

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Oh Emma, I'm sorry. Try the ag lime, then. According to what I've read it is a disinfectant and, where the abscess just burst and there has been no rain or snow to help it penetrate, it might work.
 

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Oh no :( you do not want it to burst around the others :( happy bleats is right its going to be a pain to clean the puss is so dang this and she sheds it as she walks. I read about cl not too long ago and the puss...disease thrives in cool damp so try and keep things as dry as you can. When its dry and warm it is believed to only survive for a few months. But what do they consider warm??? As for milk the cl will only pass there the milk if she has a abscess in the bag and from my understanding its not a hard thing to miss when you milk and puss comes out. Even then if I were to drink the milk I would probably pasturize it even if you see no puss. If you are going to manage it I would make a 'sick pen' that is just for the ones that get a abscess. Put in when the abscess starts to loose hair and do not take out till it is totally healed.
 

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This is just me but I would have went ahead an sent the pus in for testing. I had a goat come up with a lump in the same spot an just knew it was CL. The vet lanced it an said he was almost sure it was CL. Test came back an she didn't have it so now I always test. That being said you have gotten some good advice on how to deal with CL an sounds like you are doing the best you can with the situation. Good luck.
 

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it did burst in the pen with the other goats, and they do have pus on their fur. I was planning to use formalin on it, but I didn't have any needle syringes. My husband made a run to Tractor Supply yesterday to pick some up, but by the time I got home yesterday, it was already burst. DUMB! Since I was planning to inject it, between the holiday and as a newbie, the "minor detail" of take her out of the main pen didn't occur to me; I didn't even consider that it might burst, and so quickly. That was the most important part of this!

Since we have had them in the large back pasture, I have not been keeping as close an eye on them as when they were all in the little paddock together.
I pulled her out last night and finished treating the abscess as if I had lanced it. Had I pulled her out earlier, I would have just that tiny area to clean. Thanksgiving

I have so much work to do today because of this. I'm just shuddering
 

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I have never tested my herd but I am 99.9% sure I have some running around with cl. I have had a few abscesses show up that fit the bill. My first doe had a abscess and it bursted in the main pen.....I had no idea about cl. I wanted goats so went out and bought goats. I sold a buck and some does he was new to goats so I told him it would be a good idea to test them till he decides if he wants to deal with cl and cae and they all came out clean. So with all that being said your goats are not 100% doomed. As for the formulin I used it on one doe and didn't seem to hurt her. It might be that the abscess wasn't in a sensitive spot but she seemed fine about it. I just found it a total pain going out and chasing her every day to see if its ready so find penning and lancing is more easy and less stressful for both her and I.
 

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Can you describe what the puss looked like when the vet lanced it? I don't know a lot about CL but is it common for a cyst to show up an burst over nite? Maybe it does when the spot has just been lanced? The reason I ask is cause the doe I had tested had several lumps an they seemed to show up over nite an burst. Now that Im thinking about it the vet never did tell me what it was an I was so relieved it wasn't CL that I never thought about it, huh I need a kick in the butt for that!!
 

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I've never had a CL abscess show up and burst overnight, but the length of time between when it appears and when it bursts does vary a lot. The size of the actual abscess can vary, also.
 

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I don't have any lime, but I do have DE. What about spraying a dilution of formalin on the pen and leaving it unoccupied for a while? Any better than a bleach dilution?
 

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I would not use formalin for anything. It is a known carcinogen, and you are leaving yourself and everything in the immediate area open to breathing it in, mist drifting and getting on your skin, and it's some very nasty stuff!
 

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Not overnight, but I did not remove her from the herd since I have to tether her. I figured I would just use the formalin and would not need to have her tethered for more than a few days after the injection. But over Thanksgiving I was distracted by, you know, Thanksgiving, and it burst more quickly after I found it than I expected, just a few days.
 

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Emma, cut yourself some slack! There is not a producer or owner that has not made this same kind of mistake at some point or another. You are human just like the rest of us. All you can do is learn from it, adjust how you do things going forward, and pick up the pieces. ;) :)
 

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There is just no way I can do this! It is impossible to spray everywhere she might have been. There is not topsoil other than scattered about with rocks, heavy underbrush. Just impossible. I am bleach spraying the places they spend the most time, but this task is just beyond me.

What now?
 

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Emma, cut yourself some slack! There is not a producer or owner that has not made this same kind of mistake at some point or another. You are human just like the rest of us. All you can do is learn from it, adjust how you do things going forward, and pick up the pieces. ;) :)
Well put!!!!
 

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Trying to erect a sick pen, sprayed bleach dilution as well as I could, and we are burning excess brush in the pen. All the animals' feet were sprayed with vinegar dilution, and the goats entirely doused with it.

Can you recommend which vaccine you prefer and how you chose which one? Can I vaccinate my doe once her lesion is healed?
 

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The vaccine is like the flu vaccine..good for one kind of strain...the most effective vaccination is costly...they will need some of the puss from the cl to create a vaccine for the strain on your ranch...This is not cost effective for most producers...imo..your best bet is to do the best you can to clean and disinfect, It will take time...keep watch on all your goats ....CL can remain around for a long time..so do monthly rub downs checking for lumps...have your CL pen ready for any one who has a CL that is getting ripe...learn to lance and clean the CL yourself..be patient with each Goat..dont throw them back in the herd too soon...the CL should be completly healed. Most importantly...breath, take your time..know that this is going to take a while and make a plan of action...it took us ....oh 2-3 years to stop seeing CL...and we havent seen it since..5+ years now....Like Goatcrazy said, Dont beat your self up..we can only do what we can do!..Just do your best...pace yourself..
and I totally agree with Goatcrazy about formalin...I would never chance it....too many risks!!
 
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