CL- Caseous Lymphadenitits

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by kritterkeeper, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    Can anyone tell me first hand what is it like to have this- I had a 5 yr old Nubian doe with a Abscesse this morning- took her to the vet and he cut it open- first he drew some fulid of it and that it was mostlikely nothing to serious. then he cut it open and of course nothing can be that easy- it was some what chunky and so he sent it out to be tested...

    he said it could be 3 things-
    just got poked and got a abscesse,
    two: mucocele- which is a damaged saliva (SP) gland which is treatable but not pretty,
    three: CL

    SO IF it does come back CL- I am praying very hard it is not: :pray:
    What do I do, I need details- how do I treat the CL, the land, the goats, best and worst cases I want to know what I could be in for...

    I have 10 goats total, all pets,
    1 we milk (dry right now) and she is excepting and due April 26th,
    1 pgymy doe 5 yrs old also excepting due July 16th (put not at home still at friends house who has the buck)
    3 pgymy weather 3yrs old,
    1 dairy weather- 1 yr old,
    1 boar doe 3 yrs old-
    1 dairy doe 1 yrs old
    1 pgymy doe almost 1 yr old
    and we have a 2 mo. old boar market goat comeing April 6th

    HELP!
    Thank you
    Donna B
     
  2. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    First off ....I am sorry the abscess popped up...they are scary... :hug:

    you will have to isolate the goat from everyone else and wait for the results to come back....I also pray it is not CL ....but the tests will determine that..... :hug: :pray:
     

  3. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    IF it is CL - and the abcess did not drain or open in anyway on your property it is a VERY slim chance of the others contracting it.

    I sent you a PM - you can call me directly at 509.499.5828 or you can send me your number and I can talk with you about CL. I like to think that I am pretty darn knowledgable on this particular thing!
     
  4. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    I have her in a separate pen away from the other goats.. but she looks so sad...

    Donna B
     
  5. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    I know it is hard to have her by herself ...... :hug: ....but it makes it less likely ..to spread it to your other goats........if it is CL now that she is cut open....
     
  6. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    oh I know- she is just the one that is most skiddish.. but I know it is for everyones good..

    Donna B
     
  7. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    Thank you Allison for your help! :)

    Donna B
     
  8. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    No problem Donna,

    And let me know what the results say, and if need be, I can help you with a game plan for cl or for just clearing up the wound!

    ~ Allison
     
  9. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    When I checked her this morning- the lump is back- so I called the vet and they said to use Hot compresses to get it to drain then I asked how long before the test results came back and they said end of week! :cry:

    I also found out today that the friends house that I took her to be breed at, has a history of abscesses, but not related to CL.. was what I was told by someone else.. :pray:

    If you like pictures here are some from last night and this morning..
     

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  10. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Yah, if it filled back up, I am pretty darn sure that it is not CL, but could be staph. Just make sure that it is draining well.

    The stuff on the inside is it milky or clear? Is it sticky in texture or water?

    It looks almost like it needs a drain put in
     
  11. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    I did not touch it yesterday at the vet office but the way they were talking it was not sticky and it looked like 2% milk..

    white-not yellow or green only white like then milk..

    I am going to town to get some gloves and baidadine (SP) to clean it with.

    Donna B

    I am going keep praying :pray:

    Donna B
     
  12. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Good Thoughts - Good Thoughts :pray:
     
  13. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
  14. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Keep it cleaned out with betadin(sp), water and dish soap.

    Get some warm water, put a few drops of dish soap in the water to makes some bubbles not a whole lot, and enough of the betadine(sp) to make it a light to med tea. Suck it up with a syringe and wash that out really well, keep doing that until it is really clean and d ohtat at least twice a day. That will keep t clean and help it heal.
     
  15. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Contents looking like milk.....sounds more like a staph infection from a splinter, bug bite or even a poke from somthing sharp. I 'm pretty sure thatCl has a nasty looking really chunky thick discharge.
    You've gotten great advice as to how to clean it, and keep it open to heal from the inside out, please don't worry too much until you get those test results, panicking unless you need to won't help your mind or your heart :hug:
     
  16. FarmGirl18

    FarmGirl18 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Oklahoma
    CL is very thick cheesy looking discharge. Hoping for the best!! :hug:
     
  17. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    Thank you! I am just praying and waiting for the test results.... I cleaned it today with some stuff the vet gave me and sprayed it with some other stuff... he said clean it once a day- but do you think twice would be better.... She was not happy with me.. but I know it is for her own good...

    Thank you again...

    Donna B
     
  18. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    What about having her retested? I hear that there are a lot of false positives? Just a thought.

    I do BEG you NOT to take her to any shows even if she has no open sores. That is really not fair to those who might pen after her, because you never know when a sore just might creep up and open up.
     
  19. kritterkeeper

    kritterkeeper New Member

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    Nov 27, 2007
    Northern, Michigan
    :cry: Well I know my God is in control and never gives us more then we can handle, so HE must think I am strong enough to handle this I don't know if I am but with ever little piece of info I am getting, I am feeling a little more okay.. :?

    the Vet called this morning, and with I think a little saddness in his voice told me that Scooter has CL :hair:
    ... BUT not to panic.... He said as long as I am not showing them and sell them as high price goats, they can live with it for a long... and as far as fair as long as they do not have a abscess when we ck them in and do not come down with one while there they can come.... he is cking in to how much to test the whole herd... and vaccinating but he has not heard that if that really works all the well..

    Just being honest with people that I sell to as pets... My co-4H leader has one of my does at his house as we speak and I was so afaird to tell him but he was like --No big Deal-- he has done some studing on it and does not seem to think it is huge deal....made me feel better

    he said the more we do to the land to get rid of it will help ...

    A questions I did not ask him but one of the girls brought up-
    I have two pg does. one due between the april 17 and 29th the other in July..
    -if we pastures the milk can it be feed to the baby goats
    -what about the colostrum-
    -if we clean out the top soil and dump the bad soil can it cross over to any other type of animals cows, deer,
    if it is dump oh say a hay field or corn feild and then next yr corn and hay grow and the goats eat that can it make them sick if they don't already have it.

    So much to think about I may have a brain over load---

    Thank you for any help and concern

    Donna B
     
  20. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Donna I would contacte allison (Kelebek) she has a weath of knowledge on the CL issue.