CL- does this look like a CL abscess?

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  1. puckles

    puckles Galloping Gertie's Goat Milk Soap

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    Apr 2, 2015
    northern Nevada
    We got this buck about a month ago to breed for this season. I was told he was recently vaccinated. Today I noticed this abscess on his face and am very worried it might be CL and we just ruined our whole herd. He was rough-housing with our whether a lot yesterday and could have taken a horn to the face. We separated him out this morning but he jumped the fence into the other pasture just now. We got the rest of the herd contained in the back barn/pen and put up more fencing to keep him from jumping in. He is all alone and sad and keeps trying to get in with the rest. What can we do? We don't need to keep him any longer anyway and want him out of here as quickly as possible. (but don't want to sell him to someone if he's sick)

    HELP!:ram:
     

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  2. puckles

    puckles Galloping Gertie's Goat Milk Soap

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    Apr 2, 2015
    northern Nevada
    P.S. we felt it and it was squishy like chewing gum- also stuck finger in his mouth to check inside of cheek but it was too high up on his face to feel from inside of mouth
     

  3. fivemoremiles

    fivemoremiles Well-Known Member

    Jan 19, 2010
    western montana
    It is in the cheek may be a peace of hay caused it.
    As long as the cist isn't open your herd is safe.
     
  4. Suzanne_Tyler

    Suzanne_Tyler GreenTGoats

    Jul 19, 2014
    US
    Doesn't look like CL to me. Too small and odd location. Something could have poked him and caused it.

    When you say vaccinated, do you mean CL or just the regular CDT?
     
  5. puckles

    puckles Galloping Gertie's Goat Milk Soap

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    Apr 2, 2015
    northern Nevada
    The people we got him from said they did CDT only because the herd/farm he came from vaccinated for everything. I have them calling original owners to see if they have records or remember- waiting to hear back.
     
  6. GoatCrazy01

    GoatCrazy01 Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2016
    Michigan
    Following. Praying and hoping it ends up not being CL!
     
  7. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    It's more likely to be a tooth abcess or salivary gland abcess or cheek abcess in that location.
     
  8. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    I agree....how fast did it come up?..
     
  9. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    All good advice. It doesn't look like CL to me either.

    If it is salivary do not lance it.
     
  10. puckles

    puckles Galloping Gertie's Goat Milk Soap

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    Apr 2, 2015
    northern Nevada
    I just noticed it yesterday- but not sure how long it was there- he's pretty shy and moves quickly. It seems to look bigger today. Should we lance it or leave it- read that if it is a salivary gland you shouldn't lance it. This boy can seriously do flying leaps over almost any fence. Had the rest in the small barn pen overnight and he just hovered by their gate all night- would not go sleep in his warm dry shelter and it was well below freezing. added more fencing above the gate between pastures this morning and it held him for all of 5 minutes before he was back with the herd (including 4 very young doelings we don't want to get pregnant, a couple of which might already be from last time he jumped the fence!). I had to put his favorite lady with him and he seems to have calmed down since he's not alone. I just really don't want her to get sick or for it to spread through the herd if it is CL. We already were going to sell him since he has had his time with the ladies, but don't want to pass a sick goat to anyone else. What should we do? Taking him to the large animal vet here would cost more than he is worth. Ah, goats.
     
  11. puckles

    puckles Galloping Gertie's Goat Milk Soap

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    Apr 2, 2015
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    P.S. he is acting normal and full of energy and is eating no problem. He just wants friends!
     
  12. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    That is not a CL location...I wouldn't worry about spreading disease
     
  13. puckles

    puckles Galloping Gertie's Goat Milk Soap

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    Apr 2, 2015
    northern Nevada
    Thanks everyone for your advice. If it isn't CL, then how should I handle it? How can I tell if it is a salivary gland? I have cleaned and treated a normal injury abscess before with success, so if it's just that I should have no problem other than catching him!
     
  14. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    You would have to really sterilize and clean the area. Make sure no hair ect is present.
    With a new needle and syringe, you can tap into it to see if you get out clear, not smelly liquid. If you do, it is salivary gland. If it smells bad and has white or other color to it, it is an abscess. It must be ready to pop(softened) before you attempt to slice it open. Because there may be veins around it if it is lanced to soon and it may bleed out a lot. Make absolutely sure it isn't salivary.

    If you cannot get anything out, I would be hesitant to do anything until you know what it is.
     
  15. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    If he were mine, I would leave it be. It will either come to a head and burst or reabsorb in the next few weeks and the hair will grow back. If it bursts, you should flush it out with diluted iodine and apply antibiotic ointment. Once the hair grows back you can sell him.

    I would house him with a buddy so he is not so stressed until you can sell him.

    That's just my personal opinion and me being confident this is not CL or contagious.
     
  16. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
  17. puckles

    puckles Galloping Gertie's Goat Milk Soap

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    Apr 2, 2015
    northern Nevada
    Thanks- I have been and will check on how it looks every day. Unfortunately my husband works all week and doesn't get home til after dark. If we were to check with a syringe and/or lance it, it is definitely a 2 person job- one to hold him down while the other does the job, so it will have to wait til the weekend. He has his main girlfriend with him for now- they both want to be with the rest of the herd, but at least they have each other.

    Thanks again for all the advice and tips- I panicked when I saw it!
     
  18. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    As mentioned, you can leave it be and wait for it to pop on it's own, then flush it out. Never do that with CL abscesses.
    It is always best to test any goo, but as others have mentioned, that isn't a location for CL.