I have my first ND doe due soon...it will be the first freshening for both of us. The goats are my 8 yo daughter's 4-H project, and she was with me this evening... We were feeding and I checked the doe's udder - which is getting larger and harder, about the size of an orange - ANYWAY - I was feeling her belly and something kicked me. A distinct movement! My daughter felt movement too, and was so excited! I have been watching the udder closely, and we have gone from a "soft handfull" to a more "firm orange" in about a week. The udder isn't really full or tight, and there is no sign of behavior changes or discharge... How much longer to you think it will be before we have babies? Not sure of the breeding date - so I'm watching CLOSELY. But I am SURE that we are going to have something, sometime! Whatta you think??