Color Gene Questions?

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  1. Adam Spires

    Adam Spires Active Member

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    Oct 26, 2020
    Ohio
    61D9E7B3-173F-4EE6-ACA7-A9FC44AE4C8F.jpeg 6FA81DBD-02B4-4E72-83A3-2458594188F6.jpeg I have been studying color genetics in goats for the past hour:) and I’m still so confused.. So I have my little Nigie/Boer/Alpine Cross buck and my Kinder/Nigie/Spanish cross doeling. Yes I have a very mixed herd of goats lol! Anyway, I was wondering if anyone would know what these two’s babies would look like? I just was curious if anyone knew anything about color genetics? It’s so confusing!
     
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  2. LadySecret

    LadySecret Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2013
    Western Oklahoma
    I’d say your most likely to get a solid gold like mom or gold/blond head, red head or black head. But really they could look come out any color with their mixed genetics. I just had two solid blacks produce two red kids. They will always surprise you!
     
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  3. goodenuff

    goodenuff Well-Known Member

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    Jan 1, 2019
    Idaho
    I've personally given up because we had two blacks have a red kid and a red traditional, not even black traditional. There was only one full black baby, from a red doe, and we had two black traditional from our red traditional doe. They are the only blacks we got from a full black buck that has black on both sides lol.
     
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  4. goatblessings

    goatblessings Fair-Haven Supporting Member

    Jan 5, 2015
    Southwest Ohio
    Color genetics are very complicated. You really just need to see what pops out at times. It can go back through many generations. I really don't care about color at all - genetics and build are primary concern. Color is fun, but I've kept a plain Jane that has qualities I prefer in my herd over color many times.
     
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  5. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    It is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get. ;)
     
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  6. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    I could only tell you what you’d get if they were fullblood boers. Once you start mixing breeds, the possibilities are endless!
     
  7. Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2018
    Oklahoma
    Color genetics are (to sinplify) breed specific. Just like @CountyLineAcres was saying. Color comes from 3 generations on each side. So 6 generations in total..thats why registered bloodlines are followed so closely.
    Like @goatblessings & @Tothboergoats said..with the mixing of breeds..its a guess what you will get. So enjoy the rainbow...they are all beautiful!
     
  8. Ashlynn

    Ashlynn Well-Known Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Lutz, FL
    I don’t really know how to technically explain it but I found out through research that red and black genes can go together. Like two red parents can produce a black kid and two black parents can produce red kids. My black and white buck has thrown all black and white kids no matter the mom’s color. Genetics and coloring are crazy lol.
     
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  9. Goats Rock

    Goats Rock Member

    Jun 20, 2011
    NE Ohio
    Black doe and black buck (Lamancha) produced creme colored buck kids! That darn black buck throws all light colors! I give up on trying to figure out colors. Multi colored Alpines can throw traditional chamoise' kids. Goat genetics and colors are crazy!
     
  10. Adam Spires

    Adam Spires Active Member

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    Oct 26, 2020
    Ohio
    Same with me. To me genetics and build are very important as well. But thinking that about color is so much fun lol:)! because you never know what you’re going to get!
     
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  11. Adam Spires

    Adam Spires Active Member

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    Oct 26, 2020
    Ohio
    My buck’s dam is an Alpine and she was a Chamoise but when she was bred with the Nigie/Boer she had him? It’s so confusing!
     
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  12. Adam Spires

    Adam Spires Active Member

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    Oct 26, 2020
    Ohio
    25118EFB-4EC7-4347-A7D8-6DA18BE2F726.jpeg this is the doe’s dam and i hope some of her color comes out of these kids :)!
     
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  13. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    That’s why it depends so much on the breed. In boers and angoras, black is dominant to red while in most all other breeds, the main red gene is dominant to black with some talk about a separate red recessive gene. That’s why it can get complicated, since the options are endless.

    I love doing research on color genetics. It’s so fun! In your case, homozygous dominant colors exist, so that’s why a single parent can have control over the color decisions lol. Exactly why let’s say... a homozygous black Doberman will only have black Doberman puppies no matter if the other parent is red, fawn, or purple!
     
  14. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    Traditional markings are very dominant with boers, so it’s quite predictable to expect the traditional pattern when you cross breed with them. Since many people crossing commercial breeds don’t keep note of how different breed color genetics react to each other, there’s no saying which parent will be expressed or hidden.

    It’s all based on chance!
     
  15. HMNS

    HMNS Well-Known Member

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    Jul 15, 2019
    Brown County, Ohio
    Hi...
    It has already been mentioned...Enjoy The Rainbow!!!! : )
    We have Nigerian Dwarfs and it is always a surprise to see the colors because "anything goes" with this breed. We had one year that all the kids were black and white (out of 2 different does that were bred to 2 different bucks)...looked like little cows in coloring. Last year, our predominately white (with black and brown markings) had 2 bucklings with the same coloring as she has...our other doe had a doeling that looked exactly like her momma and a black buckling with a tiny bit of white...she also had 2 D.O.A.s :( that were very pretty...one was a silvery grey with no other markings and the other was a buff/light rust color with no other markings.
     
  16. goatblessings

    goatblessings Fair-Haven Supporting Member

    Jan 5, 2015
    Southwest Ohio
    To quote Forest Gump, "it's a box of chocolates.... you never know what you will get"!:heehee:
     
  17. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California