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Hello! I've never posted on here, but done a lot of reading and have gotten some good advice from many of you. I'm hope-hope-hoping someone can help me with a problem I've got with my goatees!

Over the winter I acquired a pregnant alpine doe. She kidded in February, everything went well, healthy mama, healthy babies. Shortly after kidding mama started losing fur on her face, around her eyes, she also had some reddish on her hind legs and a bit of fish tail, so I copper bolused. No improvement, and a month or so later she was missing more fur around her muzzle and ear tips and dandruff. I was trying to avoid chemicals, so I treated with nustock on the bald spots and sulpher/DE dusting for her and her shed, thinking some kind of bugs. So far none of my other goats, including her babies, were affected. After a few of these treatments the fur mostly regrew on her face, she shed her winter coat, the fur on her body shined up, and I felt victorious :)
However I guess I didn't act quickly or aggresively enough, cause about a month ago(when it really started warming up) her babies got hit hard with the same symptoms!!! I rebolused w/ copper last week, have been giving zinc human pills (with calcium and Manganese, is that ok?) for a week, and they've had there first shot of Ivermectin @ 2ml/50 lb, which I plan to repeat every 10 days, their next shot is due 5/25. i've applied nustock to the raw bits, and brushed them down with MTG. Dusted the shed with sulphur/de. I don't see any improvement and I am SO frustrated!! I've never had issues like this with my goats!

They all receive textured goat grain from agway, a bit of BOSS (normally only a winter supplement but with their skin issues I thought it couldn't hurt), decent 2nd cut hay, loose Sweetlix minerals (I recently mixed some kelp in reading on here that it was good for them) and the baking soda.

The first two pictures are of Girl, white patch on her head, who's hit the hardest. Notice how wrinkly the base of her ears are, I rubbed coconut oil around her eyes yesterday because they looked like they needed it and I didn't want to put the nustock so close to her eyes. Mama still looks better, a bit thin, and her eyes are still a bit bare. Boy is in the back, his situation is similar to Girl. Last picture is of Girls back, dandruff.

I have another mama, Esperanza, who is due any day now and I've been keeping her seperate as best I can. She is showing none of these symptoms.

Am I doing something wrong? What else can I do? Please help with any advice!!!!
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with kelp mixed in, they seem to like it better that way. plus like I said a zinc pill daily in a marshmallow, I read that zinc is good for skin...Calcium, Magmesium &Zinc human pills I've been giving one a day for about a week hoping that it will help.
I initially was chocking it up to settling in/transition/stress issues, the place where Mama came from they were literally getting the bare minimum, no minerals, crappy hay, very little grain, good pasture though. so if deficiency issues, maybe she passed on to her babies because she spent most of her pregnancy over there.
I'm treating for mites assuming, no goat specific vets out here so trial and error. I did find a lab that I can send fecals to, so pending on parasites but the ivermectin should knock any possibles out plus their famacha looks good, nice dark pink.
 

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I'm dealing with skin issues right now too, so stressful! Some goats seem more prone to it than others. A copper bolus usually helps with my herd, but I'm about to give them a bit of zinc too, since their coats are still rougher than I like to see them. I'm not sure if anyone else has experience with sweetlix minerals, but my goats either didn't like it enough to eat it well or it wasn't doing it for them. Now that I've switched to another mineral, it seems like they're starting to look better and are eating the mineral better as well.
 

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Stressful is right! My goats for years have been pretty low maintenance, and I bring this girl in and she throws me for such a loop! It's so frustrating when I can't fix something or make them feel better. But maybe I need to just give the ivermectin more time, and deficiency issues can take a while to see ressults. I'm impatient for them to feel better tho!
ThreeHavens, what mineral did you switch to? She gobbled it down when I first brought her home but then didn't really touch it till I recently added the kelp. The other girls used to like the SweetLix ok, but the new "rain bloc" that's in it I think makes them like it less than before.
 

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Yeah, mine only like Sweetlix occasionally. I have a local co-op store mix that mine prefer.

How long have you been offering kelp?

I wonder if they would benefit from some flax seed. I hear that's great for skin.

@groovyoldlady had an unidentified skin issue clear up with wheat germ oil I believe. Maybe she could chime in on her experience.

Oh, and ditch the baking soda free choice. That's not recommended to be done anymore. 😉
 

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So, These guys are looking a bit better now, still a bit bare around the eyes but there is some obviouse regrowth and healing happening :) :) :) There is some INTENSE dandruff happening, do yoy think that's just part of the healing process or have I only won part of the battle?

I just came in from giving the second shot of ivermectin, mama takes it like a champ but boy do her babies scream! I was wondering how necessary it is to get the three doses in? my understanding is that the second dose is to catch any stragglers, so is the third just extra insurance? and should i treat my other girls showing no symptoms? They've been seperated, and I have one girl who's due any day now.
Thanks MellonFriend, I know flax seed does wonders for my bread so I'll try tossing some in their supper!
I've only introduced kelp for a few weeks, not sure what difference that will make and it's pricey so probably they won't get it as part of their permanent regimin.
What makes baking soda obsolete? I do end up needing to probios bolus occasionally, so might be they aren't even using it anyway.
 

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Definitely give the 3rd shot. Goats make their own bicarbonate. If they are eating baking soda, then their own body will stop making it. It also deactivates ammonium chloride.
 

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Yes, goats make their own bicarbonate and using it long term can cause their bodies to stop being able to regulate their PH themselves. It might take a little to see improvement from the kelp. Glad they are getting better though!
 

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Alright, I'll give the third shot. They recover quickly enough, I just feel bad and worry they won't truust me.

I've never heard of that with the baking soda, I've alwats had it out for them. They don't eat it regularly, only when they really seem to need it, I feel like they don't eat it enough to be really dependant on it?

Any thoughts on the intense dandruff? or just adding oily seeds? and do I need to go to an earthy crunchy store for the wheat germ or a regular grocery store should have it?

Thank you for the input i've been getting so far, it makes me feel less alone dealing with this problem! : )
 

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You are welcome!

If it were me, I would just try adding the flax and seeing if that helps. If you add anything else new, you won't be able to tell what worked. That might just be me though.

Not sure where you would get wheat germ.
 

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Flax is wonderful for dry flaky skin, so is wheat germ oil. It does take time. I like giving a mix of ground Flax, wheat germ and coconut oil mixed well and fed about a tablespoon daily for a week or so...or until you see improvement. I do equal amounts of Flax and wheat germ and enough coconut oil to bind it. Goats love it but top dressing their food with the Flax is a good place to start.

To help with injectable that sting..lift a tall sub q tent. After you inject..don't let the tent go..instead jiggle it around to help spread meds so sting is not so concentrated in one spot. Helps some.
 

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Hi I wanted to update, I’m so grateful for this resource and for all your wisdom and support! So it seems like they are improving, some hair is regrowing and the scabby ness on the ears and around the eyes are gone. On mama I noticed when I was brushing her out that her hair is growing back black underneath so that is awesome!! BUT they are still so itchy! And the dandruff is intense! It is coming off in huge flakes,I brush them out and the next day they are all flaky again.
is it possible to over due the vitamins? I was giving a human zinc pill everyday for about a week, I now give twice a week for fear of overdoing it. Also they are getting BOSS with their feed everyday, should I continue that? I also added a bit of flax seed to their breakfast.
I don’t know what else to do?
Please help!!!
 

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Also I’ve ordered some zinpro 4 thinking that might benefit better than the human pills. But I’m frustrated I sometimes feel like intervening too much makes things worse :(
 

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Also I’ve ordered some zinpro 4 thinking that might benefit better than the human pills. But I’m frustrated I sometimes feel like intervening too much makes things worse :(
I totally understand what you are feeling. I'm dealing with a similar problem with a doe I have, but with weight gain instead of a skin condition.

I think zinpro 4 sounds like a good idea. I think you just need to give what you are doing a bit more time. It sounds like they are improving and since they are that probably means your doing something right. Changes like these can take a while to turn completely around.
 

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When skin issues happen and don’t clear up from minerals, I go to vitamins. Vitamin A/D and E. My super team-up is cod liver oil and wheat germ oil and together they clear up the toughest flaky skin and issues.

Also, if you are giving the zinc in a marshmallow, that may be why it isn’t working. Marshmallows have been shown to not dissolve properly in the rumen and what gets put inside tends to not get utilized properly. And no calcium and magnesium added.

I would not mix kelp with minerals it’s going to confuse consumption of both. Try without and if she doesn’t eat it at all you can add it back in.
 

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Yeah, mine only like Sweetlix occasionally. I have a local co-op store mix that mine prefer.

How long have you been offering kelp?

I wonder if they would benefit from some flax seed. I hear that's great for skin.

@groovyoldlady had an unidentified skin issue clear up with wheat germ oil I believe. Maybe she could chime in on her experience.

Oh, and ditch the baking soda free choice. That's not recommended to be done anymore. 😉
The wheat germ is very slowly helping my doe - along with LOTS of brushing. ALL my girls were dandruffy this year. I love the idea of doing the wheat germ oil WITH cod liver oil. I will definitely be doing that next time. It occurred to me that if humans get get vitamin D deficiency living up North (I'm in Maine), then goats can too. I might even try some sort of vitamin d treatment throughout the winter to see if that helps prevent this from happening again.

I'll also add that shaving the fur down so air can get to the skin helps as well. My girls who were show shaved are looking much better than my other girls.
 
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