Copper poisoning?

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  1. Green Mountain Farm

    Green Mountain Farm Active Member

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    Dec 31, 2019
    Virginia
    I tried giving mana pro goat minerals free choice to my goats today. My doe started eating a LOT and I got nervous that she was eating it to the point of copper poisoning. 1. How can I be sure she didn’t eat it to the point of copper poisoning? 2. How do I make sure she isn’t eating too much?
     
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  2. Sfgwife

    Sfgwife Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2018
    North Cakalaki
    Iirc the amount of copper in most minerals won’t od her. And the copper in loose mineral is absorbed at a different rate/way than a copper bolus.. i do believe i saw in reading on it. . I am NOT positive. Most any livestock will lick mineral as often and as much as they need only. So if they had not had any in a while. Or not had any that they liked you may notice the first week the mineral will disappear quickly. But after that it should level off.
     

  3. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    The salt content prevents them from poisoning themselves. Free choice is best! They may consume a lot the first week or two but will peter off
     
  4. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    They won't OD on minerals, specifically not Manna Pro which has low copper to begin with!

    It has a salt content scientifically measured to a point where they stop consuming it once they have enough salt which is LONG before poisoning can happen!

    Copper poisoning takes a LOT of copper! Injectable forms of it and copper sulfate (pure, without dolomitic lime) are really the only proven causes. Copper boluses are not well absorbed and they are slow release, there have not been proven overdoses with them. Loose minerals contain copper sulfate and amino acid complexes etc. which are well absorbed, but the mineral has things to prevent overdose as said above (and you have no idea just how much mineral they'd have to consume to have too much copper sulfate. TOO MUCH!)

    Your goat is going at the minerals because she needs them, she need as much as she can get if you haven't been offering loose minerals.

    Leave it out, free choice 24/7, and her consumption will slow.
     
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  5. Green Mountain Farm

    Green Mountain Farm Active Member

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    Dec 31, 2019
    Virginia
    Thanks guys! I will fill up her mineral dish first thing. :)
     
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  6. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Yeah, no worries, goats lick from them when they need it.
    After their bodies get what it needs, they slow down and lick as needed. ;)
     
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  7. Goats Rock

    Goats Rock Member

    Jun 20, 2011
    NE Ohio
    They just drink a bunch of water after licking up the minerals. Mine do that if they are out of minerals for a few days. (stupid guy at the mill only orders 1 bag at a time)- I used 3 bags just filling all the mineral feeders and that lasts maybe 4 days. (My goats go through the minerals!)
     
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  8. Green Mountain Farm

    Green Mountain Farm Active Member

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    Dec 31, 2019
    Virginia
    I put about 1-1 1/2 cups out this morning. It’s gone as expected and Ila (my doe) is acting really sluggish. Her stomach is rumbling a lot more than usual.
     
  9. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Could you post some photos of the goat? Full body, for mineral deficiency identification.
     
  10. Green Mountain Farm

    Green Mountain Farm Active Member

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    Dec 31, 2019
    Virginia
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  11. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Could you get a better tail photo? I would give some Replamin Gel, loader dose for 5 days, then once weekly for 2-3 more doses. Doing this will slow loose mineral consumption.

    Put out less than a cup of minerals. Maybe 1/4 cup.

    Give her probiotics and take her rectal temp since she is sluggish. Could be unrelated, but sometimes when they eat a lot it can throw off their digestion (but no, it’s not a mineral poisoning that does that).
     
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  12. Green Mountain Farm

    Green Mountain Farm Active Member

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    Dec 31, 2019
    Virginia
    It’s dark now but I can get some in the morning.
     
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  13. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    If you can put out a separate plain salt source that will slow her consumption as well.
     
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  14. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Most minerals already have salt in it, no need to add salt, if that is the case. ;)
     
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  15. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    I wasn’t clear my bad - the extra salt may help slow consumption of the loose mineral if the goat just happens to be craving salt. Not for long term, just to help her adjust.
     
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  16. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    No, you aren't bad, LOL. ;)

    They will get their salt from it, if it says it has it on the label. ;)
     
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  17. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Yes!!

    However, the OP said the goat consumed 1+ cups of the mineral in one day and felt sluggish.

    The salt is in minerals to prevent over-consumption, but if the goat craves salt, they consume more than they need sometimes.

    Adding salt by itself will take a little attention away from the minerals.
     
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  18. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Putting out a cobalt block would be good.
     
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  19. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California