Coughing

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by sparks879, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    One of my yearlings has been coughing the last few days. She is up to daye one her CD/T and worming. She was just wormed a month ago with overmectin. Her fecals were clean. No cocci either. I'm afraid its a upper respiritory infection. She doesn't sound rattely or anything. Just coughs. She is two months pregnant so i don;t want to give her any LA. Is there anything else i can give her?
    her temp is normal and she acts fine otherwise. Gums and eye lids are pink, she is eating and drinking her poo is normal and her eyes and nose are not runny or anything.
    thanks in advance
    beth
     
  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    well if you are afraid of the LA 200 for her and you think she needs antibiotics then give Penicilian.

    Now if she has lung worms they will not show up in the fecal (so I am told). Not sure how they test for lung worms though.
     

  3. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    yea im not sure how to test for them either. I will get her on some pen. Im just so afraid of the LA right now, i read that it cause some major birth defects and abortions.
    beth
     
  4. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
  5. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    Actually that artical was where i read it.
    Never use LA-200 or any
    tetracycline product on pregnant does or kids under six but preferably under 12
    months old. Interferes with bone & teeth formation both in utero and
    while kids are growing. Can cause abortion in pregnant does at certain
    points in the pregnancy, so it is best not to use it at all. The chance
    for birth defects is highest in the first and second trimesters of
    pregnancy.
    i copied that from there. that was what made me not want to do it. and sisne i didn't know what point that it could cause abortions i jut thought it better not to use.

    beth
     
  6. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    but if you read farther the goat specific vet disputed that claim by that website.
     
  7. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    Hmm, i don't know im still kind of leary. I keep hearing don;t giv it to pregnant does. I just got off the phone with a friend of mine and she said eh too. I think im going to try giving her some vet rx and see if that works.
    Like i said it doesn;t seem to be too deep and she isn;t snotting all over or anything. I only notice her coughing when she breathes really deep, like after she runs and bounces or someon chases her out of the feeder (she is the bottem of the herd.
    thanks for the info stacey. Will let you know how things turn out.
    beth
     
  8. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I am only passing on what others have gathered, just trying ot help :D

    I understand being leary of it. But I know if I felt that my goat might be in serious danger of getting ill or dieing I would use it. So you have to keep everything in prospective and then decide from there what you will do.
     
  9. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    Yea, she doesn;t seem too bad off, her temp is normal she is running around and bouncing with everyone else. Her gums and eye lids are a good color.
    so we'll see how things go.
    beth
     
  10. trob1

    trob1 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Middle TN
    That to me sounds more like lung worms and the treatment is ivomec injectable injected or orally 3 treatments each 10 days apart.

    Also with pregnant does it is best to only give what is medically needed but the health and safety of my does is much more important than any unborn kid. All of my pregnant does have been on CTC ( a tetracycline) in their feed due to a dangerous respiratory illness that swept through the barn one month ago and the only one who has aborted is the one who had a fever of 106 for 3 days and I expected that to happen.
     
  11. alyssa_romine

    alyssa_romine Breaking Dawn Ranch

    Oct 4, 2007
    arkansas
    Hi Beth...i had a boer doeling that was coughing and I wormed her with ivermectin and havent heard her cough since....might be worth worming again....I use the horse paste and I dosed 3 times the amount for horses. Hope this helps.
     
  12. PACE

    PACE New Member

    404
    Oct 8, 2007
    Mass
    In winter especially, my goats cough a bit after running because it is so dry. No snotty noses or anything. They don't have worms. It's normal. I think I would just watch her for a bit if I were you. Is she showing any other symptoms? Fever? Acting lathargic? Is her nose snotty at all? Maybe some ver rx would help, but I wouldn't give antibiotics yet, but of course you have to decide for yourself what you think the situation warrents.
     
  13. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    She was just wormed with ivermectin last month. Should i worm her again? No other symptoms just the cough. Not snotty nose runny eyes fever or anything.
    beth
     
  14. nancy d

    nancy d Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    near Seattle
    You can always do a phone consultation w/Pchuck. Its a no charge thing, case you arent aware.
    I have also heard that LA200 can possibly cause bone weakness & teeth discoloration under 6 mos.
    But I would certainly go with the Vet RX for now. Have used Vics for human babies as an alternative.
     
  15. trob1

    trob1 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Middle TN

    The treatment for lung worms is ivomec 3 times each being 10 days apart. If it is lung worms usually the coughing will stop with the first treatment of ivomec then come back and that is cause new eggs hatch. That is the reason for the 3 treatments 10 days apart, it breaks the cycle of the lung worm. Not sure about doing the treatment like this on a pregnant doe. Might be something you want to wait till she kids to do. Lung worms are also almost impossible to find in a fecal.
     
  16. dobe627

    dobe627 Senior Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    southeast PA
    I have a question about lung worms. My little girl Faith (pygmy) was born Oct 3, 2007. Wormed with ivermectin in Nov. A few weeks ago she was really coughing so did antibiotics per vet for her and her brother who was also coughing. He is fine but she is coughing again, same as Sparks goat. She coughs after running and playing. No fever, runny nose or none of that. So I am wondering if this is the case( lung worms) would she be too young to do the treatment? She only weighs about 15lbs?
     
  17. trob1

    trob1 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Middle TN
    no she isnt too young but please weigh her 15lbs at 4 months is kinda small so weigh her and make sure, they can really surprise you how much they can weigh and to get the dose right you need accurate weights. If you have a home scale you get on the scale and write down your weight then get on the scale holding the goat and subtract the first weight from the second and there you have the goats accurate weight. I would also go ahead and do all your goats at the same time and that way you won't pass back around the lung worms.
     
  18. Sweet Gum Minis

    Sweet Gum Minis New Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    Easley, SC
    Well I've never read any of the claims about LA200 but I can vouch for one thing and that is that it severely stunts growth and I for one will never use it on goats under a year old again.

    I have never, nor would I ever use it on a pregnant doe.
     
  19. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    thats good to know Ashley. Little bit has been on Vet Rx the last two days. She got a small dose yesturday and a smaller one today. We will see how things go. I just don't want to treat her with anything that i really don't need to because she is pregnant.
    I don't want to lose her or the kids. But i have been checking her temp everyday and its still normal.
    Im not sure how to check for lung worms, so i hope this will work. She is already due in June, way too late of kids for me.
    beth
     
  20. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I will say I had no ill effects from LA 200 on a 6-8 week old kid. He is now larger then all my other goats. So I think it can go either way and it isn't straight across the board, as in everything. I knew the chance was there but did it to save his life.

    (not trying to argue just stating stuff from personal experience, I have a low grade fever so I hope this is coming out right)