Well since the other two does won't work out for me - i found these two - i would only be able to afford one, and if they aren't going to be great for my herd i will continue my search. They are both bred to this buck - http://www.adgagenetics.org/SireDetail. ... A001427776 POPLAR HILLS MUSCAT CHAOTIC Doe # 1 - Coulee Acres Basilar Eclipse -darker doe "Eclipse" Due: APRIL 19th, 2008 Purebred French Alpine - A1373069 Born: 4-18-06 Sire: Sunshine Bobbic Basilar +B SS: SG Sunshine Conina Condaor +B SD: SG Sunshine Reprise Bobbic 10*M Dam: Sunshine Sacrament Fantasia DS: SG Sunshine Seigi Sacrament DD: Sunshine Schwarzee Frenno 5*M 07 - MN State Fair: 4th Sr. Yearling Doe - Dry 07 - WI State Fair: Champion Sr. Yearling Doe - Dry 06 - WI State Fair: 2nd Alpine Jr. Kid Doe #2 - Coulee Acres Basilar Cocopuff - lighter doe "Satin" (my absolute favorite!) Due: MARCH 13th, 2008 American Alpine - AA1371148 Born: 4-16-06 Sire: Sunshine Bobbic Basilar +B SS: SG Sunshine Conina Condaor +B SD: SG Sunshine Reprise Bobbic 10*M Dam: Stork's Oak Springs Destiny DS: SG Sunshine Maron Martin +*B ` has produced MANY BDIS DD: Storks Oak Springs Gingerbread I really like the sounds of both of them - they can be seen on the website of this breeder - http://xtraordindairy.tripod.com/ I hope they are as good as i think - i like them :+) Let me know what you think - THANKS AGAIN !!!