Dehorning procedure with pictures

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by goathappy, Nov 10, 2007.

  1. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    I don't know why that didn't post the first time:

    I would like to warn everybody, the photos I'm about to post with this thread are extremely graphic. If you do not want to see them please press the back button. I am not a vet, this procedure was done by a licensed veterinarian under anesthesia. I am posting this for educational purposes, and why it is better to disbud than dehorn. Gus was disbudded but he still had really bad scurs come back that were like horns.

    First off I want to thank everybody who has prayed for Gus, I will in return pray that you all have a doe year this kidding season :wink: Please specify if you want a buck year instead :wink:

    Starting off on Thursday. At around 4:30pm I was in the house doing chores. My brother came in and told me that Gus broke his scur off. I quickly grabbed the remedies Phosphorus(for bleeding) and Arnica(for pain and bleeding) that were sitting on the counter from Tillie's accident earlier that day. I went out there and Gus was just gushing blood from his head. He had broke his scur off and it was just hanging there. I immediatly gave him Phosphorus every 5 minutes to help with the bleeding and called my mom. She came home and so did my dad and then we called a good breeder friend. She suggested we try an saw it off *gulp* Dad and I held Gus while mom tried to saw it off, but with no avail, it just made it worse. We called my friend back, she said we can take him to her house and she'd saw it off. We thought about it and we decided to wait until morning so we could do it at the vets so the vet could clamp off any arteries. We put a pressure bandage on his head which stopped the bleeding. My dad sat with Gus while I went and milked the girls. When I came back the bleeding had stopped. It was around 7:30 by then and we gave him a couple more remedies for pain and bleeding and went off to bed. I was covered in blood, I felt so sorry for Gussy.

    Next morning when I got up his bleeding had started again. I gave him some more Phosphorus and Arnica and went and did chores. We had an 11am app. with the vet to have his scurs removed(his scurs were like big horns) After chores we went out and changed his head dressing again as it was all bloody. After we changed it, he started bleeding again. I gave him Phosphorus and a very high dose of Arnica and his bleeding slowed. We took him to the vet then at 10:30. When we got to the vet they immediately took us to the back room. She gave him a local anesthesia as well as several shots of local blocks in the nerves of his face around his eyes to numb the head and horn area. He was out in 10 minutes.

    Now, I am giving those with a weak stomach the option to go back now, I want to warn you these pictures are very graphic.
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    Ok, so you want to see them. Don't say I didn't warn you :wink:
    This is a picture of Gus I took about a month ago, just so you can see what his scurs looked like. This picture was taken after the tree branch fell on his head. Before that incident, his scurs stuck up more than what they do in the photo:
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    Here is what the back of his head looked like(the yellow stuff is an iodine disinfectant):
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    The red arrow points to his scur hanging there, it was hanging by skin, if we had tried to pull or saw it off ourselves, we may have done more damage than good:
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    The scur removed, note the arteries are clamped off:
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    Cauterizing the arteries with a hot iron:
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    The intact scur before sawing:
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    Sawing the scur off with a wire saw:
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    The removed scur, you are now looking strait into his sinus cavity, it was all hollowed out in there(I thought that was so cool):
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    The bottom of the removed scur:
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    The scur that was broke off:
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    After surgery she gave him a shot of something to make him come out of anesthesia as well as a shot of Tetanus antitoxin. It took him about 2 hours to fully wake up.

    Here is a picture of him I took last night, his face looks funny because of the way she shaved it:
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    I thought it was funny she left his little ears sticking out:
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    And so he doesn't feel left out here's Caesar the unicorn(or unihorn) he gets taken back in January to have the other scur removed, I'll take pictures of him then:
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    Gus is doing better. He's eating hay and drinking molasses water, he's still has a long way to go. He has been shivering, so I make sure he stays covered up with blankets and I take warm water out to him several times a day. He's still bright eyed and peeing and pooing normally.
    All I have to say after all he has been through in his life, if he can make it through this, he'll be the luckiest son of a doe that ever lived. He's been through bad pneumonia, one week he was having siezures(we think mild polio linked to the stress of his pneumonia), a big tree branch fell on his head and now this. I hope he can make it through this one.
    Thank you everybody for your continued prayers :) :hug:
     
  2. PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    Oct 4, 2007
    Delaware
    Poor little, well okay big, Gus! I can only imagine the headache he must have.

    Thanks for taking pictures though! Even though they are kinda yucky, they show just how much fun a dehorning is(or isn't).

    And your unicorn is quite the looker too!
     

  3. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    Thanks, he's quite the lil' stud, lol
    I can't believe how big Gus has gotten! 86 lbs! Where did my baby go?
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    Actually the process is very stressful on both me and him, but this is my second dehorning that I've seen. It doesn't bother me and I prefer that the vet does it. She's a good vet :D I'm not saying it's fun but it is very interesting to watch. :)
     
  4. GSFarm

    GSFarm New Member

    312
    Oct 6, 2007
    Fairview, TN
    Thanks for the pictures! That wire saw is interesting! I've never seen that before! How did the vet hold the wire?

    It's great to hear everything went okay!! I'm praying for a quick recovery!
     
  5. alpinemom

    alpinemom New Member

    36
    Oct 28, 2007
    Waldoboro, ME
    I am so glad Gus is okay. Those pictures are really good shots. Last fall, I had a yearling doe that had a scur (actually a horn)and I waited for fly season to end and put 2 of the castating bands on her and after 3 mos it finally cut through and the horn fell off there was no blood and the base was all closed up. It has not grown back. That may be something you can do to Caesar and spar him the surgery and stress. We do not have a good goat vet in our area so we are on our own.
     
  6. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    I asked about banding Caesar's other horn, the vet said that since bucks are so 'developed' that there is a greater chance of him bleeding to death. The way she did Gus(she put him under differently than Caesar) was much less stressful this time than Caesar's was. The waking up part.
    Sarah, she just held it in her hands and went back and forth to saw it off.
     
  7. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    Mom and I changed his bandages yesterday. The side that broke off had started bleeding again and made the bandage stick to his head. We wet it down then gently pulled it off. The 'hollow' side was already starting to fill it.
     
  8. Muddy Creek Farm

    Muddy Creek Farm New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Keokuk, Iowa
  9. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    I have to find the reciept for the vets(she put all meds on there) She used a local anestethia this time along with local blocks injected in the nerves of his face to numb everything. then she gave him a shot of something to reverse the anestethia. I liked the way she did it this time better than last. Gus woke up and was fully able to walk, eat etc within an hour and a half after the procedure.
    With Caesar, she gave him atripine(number i think) rompum(to put him down) and cetamine(to keep him under) It took Caesar 5 hours before he was fully active again.
    Our vet isn't a goat vet, but she is very caring with the goats, she had a book with dosing instructions for putting goats under. I will ask her next time I see her if she can tell me what she did though.
    Talk with your vet before hand, and find out what he/she wants to use to put the goat under. I don't know for sure, but I think its the gas masks and general anestethia that you have to stay away from.
     
  10. greif

    greif New Member

    28
    Nov 3, 2007
    kaukauna, WI
    how much does it cost to have the scurs removed?
     
  11. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    It will vary from vet to vet but for our vet, it was a total of $140 for one visit. I thought that was very reasonable for how good of a job she does. :)
     
  12. lesserweevil

    lesserweevil New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    well I'm glad it went well! I can remember Demi's dehorning like it was yesterday - so gross! That hole on Gus's head looks just like hers did! But then I didn't get the fancy bandage... it was cotton wool and micropore on off every day for a week... :D because the vet said I had to spray this antibiotic on her head every day. She really hated the bandage changing - but she has forgotten it now, thankfully!!!
     
  13. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    We changed his 3 times during the week, we just took it off on Thursday. He was SSSSOOOOOOOOOO happy to have the bandages off :D He went over and head butt with the does when I took him on a walk today, didn't realize that that hurts when you do that :roll:
    Here's pics of his holes, I don't know what order the thing will put them in, this is my first time attaching pics on here :)
    We are still cleaning it with peroxide and putting calendula tincture on it everyday.
     
  14. lesserweevil

    lesserweevil New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    is it my imagination, or is the side that broke not flat? I would have thought that if it hadnt been sawed right to the base - like the right side - that it might grow back?
     
  15. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    The side that broke off still has some sticking up on it, we decided not to saw it off, he's a wether, so I don't think it is going to grow any, if it does, we'll band it. The first pic, showing how his scurs looked, they have been that long since he was 3 months old. We castrated him at 3 months(due to his illnesses) and since we castrated him they stopped growing.
    He still has a little hole going down his sinuses, he's blowing bubbles out it :roll: He came in the house yesterday, followed mom right in. So we just put peroxide and calendula on him in hte house, he thought that was something :p
     
  16. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    so this wether is one that will be staying I see

    Some of them have a way of doing that
     
  17. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    Yep! My parents said I could keep Gus, I mean after all he's been through, I couldn't eat him :shock: He's such a nice guy and he's Caesar's buddy anyway :D
     
  18. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I think having a goat around that does just about nothing is a perfect way to keep you grounded in why you have goats. At least for me anyway.

    Jasper is my way of keeping myself sane when the girls are hormonal and driving me bonkers and when they just won't kid! He nussles up to me and yah I know why I have goats once again.
     
  19. cute kids

    cute kids New Member

    196
    Oct 5, 2007
    you, gus, and your mom are pretty tough!! what a lot of 'adventures' for you all. i am so glad that gus is doing ok now as he heals. how long before the sinus closes over?

    is there a reason to remove scurs if they do not head back into the head? are they more prone to break off than a proper horn? one of my wethers has two scurs, one of which i am afraid will curve back toward his head. the other seems so far to be more straight. both still quite short and he is now seven months, so maybe they won't even grow much more. i just don't want him to have any trouble, though it would be so great to not have to go through scur removal of any kind.
     
  20. Muddy Creek Farm

    Muddy Creek Farm New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Keokuk, Iowa
    I'm glad you get to keep him =)