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We raise Boer goats. We have a kid, two months old, sudden onset of symptoms just came on today. We do not have a thermometer. He weighs about 30 lbs.

He's disoriented- went to nurse and completely missed both bags. Walks slow, very sluggish. Seems to be dizzy. He swaggers when he walks, and weak.

Husband just gave him 2 cc's of Baytril 100.

I have not been out to see him yet. Husband called me when I was in town (20 minutes ago) and I just got home.

Edited to add:: I went and bought a thermometer. 48 minutes lapses since my husband called to tell me of the kid's symptoms and that he had just given the meds until I took the kids temperature. It's 98.5. I just looked at normal goat temp. I am not positive I got the thermometer into the rectum. I will try again.

I'm researching online and found goat polio or listeriosis could possibly be the culprit. Still researching though.

Update 5/3/2019:: Update: Got a call from the vet who oversaw the necropsy. It was not goat polio. She said that would have been easy to tell from the brain tissue. It was not meningitis. And it was not rabies. In fact, there wasn't any evidence of any neurological at all. She didn't have any answers for us. Just more questions about his symptoms. They were stumped.

UPDATE 8/4/19:: Onion Creek Ranch, who has a website full of wonderful information, posted just a week ago a situation identical to ours from someone I assume came to them for answers. Their kid had died also. The only differences were the kid was 4 months instead of two and no temperature was mentioned. The culprit? Being over dewormed or rotating dewomer. The parasites developed an immunity to the dewormer. The goats body reacted by lowering the red blood cell count resulting in the kid being anemic. The issue the people in the post of Facebook did wrong was rotate dewormers. Never rotate!! We do not. So just know that even if you do rotate this can still happen!!!

The treatment: Give a different dewormer. Test fecal after to make sure parasites are gone. Treat for anemia. There is an article for how to treat anemia at Onion Creek Ranch: https://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/articles2/anemiaingoats.html

See FaceBook post here: https://www.facebook.com/onioncreek...otif_id=1564836825278317&notif_t=feed_comment
 

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We raise Boer goats. We have a kid, two months old, sudden onset of symptoms just came on today. We do not have a thermometer. He weighs about 30 lbs.

He's disoriented- went to nurse and completely missed both bags. Walks slow, very sluggish. Seems to be dizzy. He swaggers when he walks, and weak.

Husband just gave him 2 cc's of Baytril 100.

I have not been out to see him yet. Husband called me when I was in town (20 minutes ago) and I just got home.

Edited to add:: I went and bought a thermometer. 48 minutes lapses since my husband called to tell me of the kid's symptoms and that he had just given the meds until I took the kids temperature. It's 98.5. I just looked at normal goat temp. I am not positive I got the thermometer into the rectum. I will try again.

I'm researching online and found goat polio or listeriosis could possibly be the culprit. Still researching though.
Also the kid needs be warmed before he eats. His body temp. Eeds be 101 at least.
 

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I would agree to treat for polio/listeriosis. Our protocol is
500mg thiamine every 6 hours no matter his weight..so if you use B complex that is going to be a whopper of a dose..try to get thiamine from your vet as soon as you can. Its usually 500mg ..so 1 cc is way easier to give. But start with what you can get your hands on.
We also do Pen G 1 cc per 10# sub Q every 6 hours. ALWAYS pull back the plunger to check for blood before you inject. Pen in the vein can kill the goat
Banamine (if temp is with in normal range) 1/4 cc per 25# Sub Q once a day for 3 days to help with brain swelling. OR Dexamethasone ( 1 cc per 20# IM) once a day..but this is harder on his system and should be with direction of a vet when given long term.

If it's polio, you will see improvement pretty quickly depending on how bad he is.
Listeriosis, which is less likely with his age will take longer to recover from.
Always continue treatment for a full 24 hours after he is 100%. We prefer to ween off meds to avoid a relapse
 

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I bought B complex drops for human consumption Wed night, it didn't have thiamine in it, so I bought B1 pills and crushed them up and added to the drops, gave him 1 1/2 ml. He went to the Vet Thursday morning. Low temperature confirmed, only 99 point something, so a little better. Vet doesn't know what he has, said it is neurological. Bought the injectable B1, vet prescribed Nuflor every other day for six days, then said to switch to another antibiotic and repeat. I'll have to ask my husband, I forget which.

He's up and down, health wise. He was feeling well enough to go graze with the herd Saturday though no play. Come Sunday he was stumbling again and husband was worried he wouldn't be alive this morning. He is alive, but weak.

I'll have to check his belly. Though I haven't noticed anything alarming, his mother doesn't nurse him when he's acting worse. We try to bottle feed, but he does fight the entire time refusing to swallow and lets the milk run down his face.
 

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Hmph.... It really sounds like Polio or Listeriosis not being treated aggressively enough and relapsing. Why did your veterinarian feel that this was not the correct diagnosis? Even if it's not the right diagnosis, the treatment is not harmful, and without a diagnosis I feel it would be better to try the treatment.

He needs high doses of Thiamkne and Penicillin every 4-6 hours around the clock as well as daily Banamine or Dexamethasone. And this needs to continue 48 hours after symptoms completely disappear and then SLOWLY decrease the injections to prevent relapse. Even so, he will be very prone to relapse for months.
 

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To me this sounds more like polio than listeriosis. Just due to his age and the fact that he’s going up and down and well... still alive. I agree with all answers here. But to me, thiamine is the most critical thing he needs. But I’m curious, how are his legs? Is he wobbly at all?
 

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...But I'm curious, how are his legs? Is he wobbly at all?
He's not wobbly at all anymore because he has not been able to stand for a few days now. His body is stiff. I go out and move his limbs around and change his position. He can lift his head, but for only a short period of time. I cradle his head while I feed him a bottle, but he's not drinking a lot.

One thing that has been steady with his treatment is thiamine. That has never stopped.

I would start the new treatment suggestions from you ladies if my husband had not already made up his mind we are going to a different vet. I'm taking him to Kansas State Vet hospital today. We feel he probably will not survive- the poor thing has been barely hanging on, but we want a confirmed diagnosis so we can be better equipped if we see this again.
 

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He's not wobbly at all anymore because he has not been able to stand for a few days now. His body is stiff. I go out and move his limbs around and change his position. He can lift his head, but for only a short period of time. I cradle his head while I feed him a bottle, but he's not drinking a lot.

One thing that has been steady with his treatment is thiamine. That has never stopped.
Have you discounted rabies? The paralysis sounds very similar.
 

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We have not. The thought hadn't crossed our minds to be honest. That would explain why mom wouldn't feed him though. I know animals can sense things.
 
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