ok so it is 2:47 am here..... I just got done.... It was a VERY VERY hard delivery, I knew something was up when she layed down and pushed and pushed, a bubble came out but nothing in the bubble...... awww man!! SO I stuck a finger in an felt a nose, and a BIG nose at that!! But then she quit pushing, I mean absolutly quit everything. Now mind you this is a FF. SO I am watching and watching, but still nothing...... SO I start to stimulate her to push and she is pushing but this baby is NOT budging, I mean it could fit but her pushing was not strong enough, we got it to were I coule barley see the nose and thats it, there were no feet so that made it difficult cause there was nothing to grab to pull. SO I pushed everything back in and went in, well her cervix was not open all the way, thats why that baby wasent coming out easily. So I VERY gently massaged her cervix the rest of the way open and was able to find a foot, but this baby is SOOOO big that a foot and the head were not going to come out together, so I pushed the foot back in, got my kid pull and got its head out, popped its shoulder forward and plop out came baby, now by this I was like already prepared for it to be dead, I was more concerned about momma. But then it picked its head up and started breathing :wahoo: couldent beleive it. SO if you guys havent figured it out by now, it is defiently a boy, a very very big boy. I havent weighed him but he is pretty massive. I will post some pics tomarrow. Momma is very very sore but for a FF she is a GREAT mom, she is sooooo worried over her baby and is soooo good with him, I have never seen a FF this content with her baby. He is a broken bucskin by the way! he is super cute, after that whole ordeal I think I just mite keep him!! ok well off to bed, not that I will be able to sleep as I am going to be worried about the little bugger the entire night!! We need a good strong masculine name for this guy, he is HUGE and defiently gonna be a power house!!! thanks all!