Doe with neck lumps

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by dutch, Dec 30, 2007.

  1. dutch

    dutch New Member

    43
    Oct 7, 2007
    Hillsdale, Mi
    I have a 3 yr. old Boer who is due to deliver next Fri.
    I was away on family business, and when I got back to put her in the birthing stall, I found her to have 2 pretty good sized (golf ball)lumps, on the side and front of her neck, close together. They are not hard or tight, they move around easily when touched.
    Eating, drinking, and behavior is normal.

    I'm sure it's not CL, and I thougt only kids get milk neck, and it doesn't look like a sliver, and it's too cold to be an insect bite, sooo????
    Any thoughts would be appreciated. :help:
     
  2. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

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    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    It may not he too cold for a bite, they seem to be hanging around this year. Does she have a temp? Are they hot? How long have they been there? Any hair missing on them?
     

  3. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    WOW, Is it anywhere near where you give her shots?
     
  4. dutch

    dutch New Member

    43
    Oct 7, 2007
    Hillsdale, Mi
    I'm not sure how long they've been there, as I was away all week. They are not hot, no temp, no hair missing. She has not had any shots recently either.
     
  5. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

    603
    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    I'd watch for a day or so and see if they change. Can you get a picture to show us where on the neck they are?
     
  6. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    i would just watch them for a day or two and see if they go down, they could be insect bites or even bee stings. When they weather gets colder bees come inside. I got stung the other day when i reached into a bag of shaving. The bee was really slow but it definalty got me right on the thumb when i disturbed his winter hibernation. If they don't go down in a day or two we can go from there. I have a doe that is allergic to some sort of weed (nbot really sure what) but every once in awhile we get whatever it is in our hay and she breaks out in hives all up and down her neck and sides. We just give her a childrens benadryl in a marshmellow and it seems to clear right up. It may be possible that there was a small weed or something in your hay that she is allergic to.
    hope this helps.
    beth
     
  7. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    how is your doe today???
    beth
     
  8. dutch

    dutch New Member

    43
    Oct 7, 2007
    Hillsdale, Mi
    Still no babies, and she seems fine, lumps the same.
    I do remember one of my goats had a lump last year when it was birthing time, and a local farmer told me it could just be hormones. It did go away after she gave birth with no interferance from us.
    Have you ever heard of this?
     
  9. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    no I have not but there are plenty of things i have never heard of before.

    It will be interesting to see if they do go away after she gives birth
     
  10. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    I just stumbled upon this thread and thought that I would read it.

    My two new does that I brought home yesterday, have the same thing. Each has a lump where the neck joins the body one on both sides. Almost feels like a lymphnode. They are hard, in the skin, not attached to muscle - moveable. Both went into heat last week and were bred by my herd sire. Both are CAE negative but were not tested for CL.

    No temps, eating, drinking, acting normal. I have never noticed this on my other girls, but I would not have probobly found them unless the owner pointed them out. They are the size of a quarter, no hair loss, no "head", no bite mark as if it was an insect. It has been freezing at night and up to 45 during the day. Both does have the lumps in the same exact area, but no where else on their bodies.

    Any thoughts??
     
  11. dutch

    dutch New Member

    43
    Oct 7, 2007
    Hillsdale, Mi
    After about a month, it was the size of a small lime, and the hair started to come off of it, so I called out the vet. He lanced it and sent it for testing, and it did come back as CL.
    She healed very fast and seems fine and her babies are healthy and happy. The vet said it was up to me what course of action to take, but since I only have 4 goats, he wouldn't do anything really.
    Good luck with yours
     
  12. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Did the lumps feel like they were only in the skin or did they feel like they were connected to "meat"??

    I am drawing blood today to send to the lab in the morning for CL testing. Did you test all of your herd since you received the positive on her?
     
  13. FarmGirl18

    FarmGirl18 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Oklahoma
    Kind of weird since they both have them in the same spots. I wouldn't think it'd be CL but that's a good idea to test just to be safe. Lumps really freak me out though. :oops:
     
  14. dutch

    dutch New Member

    43
    Oct 7, 2007
    Hillsdale, Mi
    The lump was loose and movable.
    I did not test the other 3, because I wasn't going to do anything about it anyway, so why spend the money. It was $54.00 to have the test at Mich. State!
     
  15. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    I found a place that does the elisa serology test for 6 dollars and you can run up to 6 different tests on each tube. CAE, CL, Johnes, Toxoplasmosis, Brucella, and Q Fever. It is $6 for one test, $11 for 2, $15 for 3 tests, and then 4 dollars additional for each test past three. So I can't really complain!

    I think I am going to be doing alot of testing this month. My whole herd is CAE negative, but now I am totally freaked. And to pay 120.00 total for everyone to be tested for CL is worth it to me.

    So if it were to come back CL, and no one else had it, I should get rid of her right??
     
  16. Sara

    Sara New Member

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    Oct 4, 2007
    Ellensburg, WA
    I would. Or seperate her.
     
  17. alyssa_romine

    alyssa_romine Breaking Dawn Ranch

    Oct 4, 2007
    arkansas
    I too would get rid of her....but selling her to someone else would just continue to spread it. I am not sure what to do but I would not be keeping them anywhere near your other goats. Keep them as far away as possible until you find out what this is. CL can be transmitted to humans so be very careful!!!
     
  18. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Alyssa -

    Thank you for telling me that - I did not know that it was transmissable to humans. Oh crap!

    Well we are drawing blood tonight to send tommorrow. They won't run the test till Friday, but I have already received an email back from the gentleman that said that he would email me the results as long as I put a note in asking them to be. He seemed really nice in his email.

    Keep your fingers crossed for me!!!!
     
  19. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    it is transmitted through the gunk or if they have an internal abcess burst in their lungs and they cough on you.

    Right now you are "safe" so to speak from it transmitting to you if she does have CL.

    As you do want a free herd, if they do have CL best to sell them to someone who will keep them strickly pets and let them know all about CL and the "dangers" etc. Now if you are willing to deal with it for her bloodlines then there are ways to mangage it.
     
  20. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    But even if I kept them in my herd IF they were positive, wouldn't the babies be infected???

    I am so upset about this. I have called the lady, and really she had no idea and it is not her fault. These are the only two goats that she has had so they must of come with it to her IF that is what it is - but we will find out. If I were to "tap" the lumps, would I be able to pull gunk out and be able to tell that way as a possible??