Double Orifice?!

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GottaLoveGoats

Discussion Starter · 14 d ago

Double Orifice: Yes or No?

I think it is sadly…… It’s on my registered ND doe☹

Questions:
1) Genetic trait that can be passed down or just a random fluke?

2) Selling any of her doelings and/or wethers (even if clean teated) would be basically selling bad genetics right?

3) Only logical thing to do is to sell her, with full disclosure about the flaw, so I can keep my herd genetics clean?

I am trying to build a quality herd for showing, but this double orifice would only hinder that goal right? I know it is considered a ‘Serious Fault’ via the ADGA guidelines.

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Cedarwinds Farm

· #2 · 14 d ago

It's very difficult to tell what's going on from those photos. I'm sure it's much easier in person. Does it just look like there is another hole at the bottom of her teat? Or is there something extra there, like a spur teat or a fishtail teat?

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GottaLoveGoats

Discussion Starter · #3 · 14 d ago

Cedarwinds Farm said:
It's very difficult to tell what's going on from those photos. I'm sure it's much easier in person. Does it just look like there is another hole at the bottom of her teat? Or is there something extra there, like a spur teat or a fishtail teat?

It looks like there is possibly another hole at the end of her teat…. 😕
No extra teats, fishtail teat, cluster teats, spur teat, or anything like that.

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Cedarwinds Farm

· #4 · 14 d ago

Another hole might just be an abnormality in the skin, not necessarily another teat orifice. I have never dealt with an issue like this, I just know sometimes my dry does can get bug bites, dry skin, etc. , on their teats that look funky, but don't affect them at all once they freshen. @Jubillee ] @daisymay and I'm sure some others might be able to help you out.

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GottaLoveGoats

Discussion Starter · #5 · 14 d ago

Cedarwinds Farm said:
Another hole might just be an abnormality in the skin, not necessarily another teat orifice. I have never dealt with an issue like this, I just know sometimes my dry does can get bug bites, dry skin, etc. , on their teats that look funky, but don't affect them at all once they freshen. @Jubillee ] @daisymay and I'm sure some others might be able to help you out.

This makes me feel so much better!!!!
I would be crushed if my favorite doe would have an abnormality. I mean, it looks more like a mole/freckle/black head than the orifice (teat hole)

I guess I’ll just wait and see once she is bred and freshens, since she is a dry yearling right now.

Now I have hope it is not anything horrible🙂

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SayYesToGoats

· #6 · 14 d ago

It could be a fishtail teat in that teat (I've had that happen) or just a mark. Keep an eye on it if it's fishtail teat they she not good for registered breeding (or any breeding for that matter) but a fun mark is no big deal. It looks ok though.

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GottaLoveGoats

Discussion Starter · #7 · 14 d ago (Edited)

Here’s more photos…. (Trying my best getting pics with a squirming goat lol)

Now it looks like a spot or freckle…..

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SayYesToGoats

· #8 · 14 d ago

...mm it does kinda look like it in the first pic but the last kinda looks like a spot... hopefully someone else will also give their opinion on this.

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Boer Mama

· #9 · 14 d ago

I think you need to wait and let her freshen in order to be sure.

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GottaLoveGoats

Discussion Starter · #10 · 14 d ago

Boer Mama said:
I think you need to wait and let her freshen in order to be sure.

You’re right. I guess that is all I can do….. wait and see….. Fingers crossed it’s not an extra orifice😬

Are extra holes on a teat genetic? Or a freak fluke?

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Boer Mama

· #11 · 14 d ago

I would think anything to do with the udder and teats could be genetic… I’m not a dna expert tho!

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Calistar

· #12 · 14 d ago

I agree that it's hard to tell at this point. I would freshen her and see, paying very careful attention to the kids and the doe, and be prepared to wether all buck kids and sell without papers if it does turn out to be an extra orifice.

People like to say that teat issues are environmental as well as genetic, and maybe that's true in a few rare cases, but I think people throw around the "environmental" excuse a lot so they don't have to admit that their goat has faulty genetics. Teat flaws are absolutely genetic, although inheritance is not always super straightforward. I will not touch anything that has produced a teat defect even if the animal itself has perfect teats. Many people will still breed animals that have produced teat defects, they just won't repeat the combination. It's kind of a gray area and everyone has their own idea of what is acceptable. If it turns out that your doe herself has a double orifice, imo the only ethical thing to do is either sell her with disclosure without papers, or keep her for your own milk needs but not register the offspring. Hopefully that is not the case though!

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toth boer goats

· #13 · 13 d ago

If it looks like one teat, no spurs or extra bumps, she just may have 2 teat orifices on the normal teat, which are not mentioned of being bad.

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GottaLoveGoats

Discussion Starter · #14 · 13 d ago

toth boer goats said:
If it looks like one teat, no spurs or extra bumps, she just may have 2 teat orifices on the normal teat, which are not mentioned if being bad.

Yes that is what I was worried about: My doe having a teat that has two holes (orifices)

If she does, I can’t register her offspring since she has bad genetics…. 😕

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SayYesToGoats

· #15 · 13 d ago

Yes, I wouldn't register her kids if that's the cause.

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