Ellie- I spoke too quick

Cd antitoxin is never a bad idea when the gut is concerned.

If memory serves, this doe has done this 3 or 4 times.every 3 weeks or so. Bananine and Nuflor was used along with various herbal blends and garlic. Obviously Nuflor is not the correct antibiotic for this. Baytril dose 2 times 3 days a part doesn't sit well with me either. With each dose of antibiotic and banamine we are messing up her flora. Every 3 weeks she's sick..takes at least a week to get better leaving only a few weeks to recover that flora. Im wondering if that is not exasperating her situation. Personally I would stop all chemical treatment. Get proper herb blends to address the gut and infection and immune support. That may not be a popular response but I have seen the spiral effect of one treatment after another only cause the goat to be more compromised. I agree with Toth, its no use using the same antibiotic over and over with no results. Nuflor is a great antibiotic, but its not taking care of this situation.

 

I would give the CD antitoxin, and I would definitely contact Kristie or Kat once more to ask their opinions on the entirety of the situation. Get GI BoT and HerBiotic. Work with rigorous fresh treatments as well.

I do agree that staying away from more antibiotics will be beneficial.

 

Now hang on a second... I just did some zooming out to human issues because I think it just might help us figure her out.

Here's my other theory which wouldn't hurt to treat for.

Candida.

Candida is a harmful yeast which lives in the gut among other places. Candida can cause severe gut distress due to imbalances, which cause it to attack the good gut bacteria. Not only does that cause low temps when the gut is in distress, but Candida also is known for causing fevers. It is known for becoming more proliferated depending on hormone levels, so it can fluctuate based on a goat's heat cycles. Antibiotics tend to make it even more angry.

https://scholar.cu.edu.eg/?q=hanem/files/monograph_of_sheep_and_goats.pdf

"The genus Candida comprises more than 260 species, of which Candida albicans is the most commonly recorded species in sheep and goats  Candidosis is a fungal disease affecting the mucous membranes and the skin and may cause infection of any organ or system or systemic infections.  Candidosis is distributed worldwide in a variety of animals and is most commonly caused by Candida albicans.  Candida albicans is a polymorphic fungus which grows in both yeast and filamentous forms (Brown et al., 2012).  Candida albicans is also an opportunistic pathogen and one of the major aetiological agents of mucosal and systemic fungal infection (Brown et al., 2012)."

I know it may seem odd but I'm trying to link the hormone-related reoccurrence here.

If we want to treat for candida, no harm in that!

Aloe vera juice (never the plant) works very well. Also said to be a natural wormer, go figure!

Apple Cider Vinegar should be given too.

Herbs good for it include cinnamon, ginger, pau d'arco, black walnut, thyme, and peppermint. You are already giving some of these.

Wheatgrass would be beneficial as well.

HerBiotic will help with fungal/yeast issues, and it will cover your herbal needs.

Garlic garlic garlic.

Dr. Christopher's Intestinal Sweep would also be fantastic: https://healthyplanetshopping.com/p...v-j5HAAspmQclO_sUlumE6qKDUkDh8zhoCdqsQAvD_BwE

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3883203/ - "
Candidiasis: An unusual cause of persistent high-grade fever in mid-pregnancy"

 

NO on the Baytril, if you read what I sent on Candida it just makes the situation worse (and about everything else to). She is acting ok so I don't think we should give it, but hold on to it.

Unfortunately aloe vera plant has a purgative effect... the juice sold has had those properties removed. Most stores sell it, honestly.

Green leaves are good, I am sure she will take them herself.

 

Continue Nuflor because I really don't want to stop mid treatment.

Is she getting ACV yet? Give 3 hours post antibiotic shot.

She may eat the leaves by themselves. I'd like to see if she would.

 

If you’re out at the store do check for drinkable aloe juice!

 

5cc 2x a day.

 

I'd do it for a week. You can start small with 5cc once a day to make sure she does well with it.

 

I’d mix 5cc acv with 5cc water give twice daily.

 

Ok @TCOLVIN has a decent goat vet. You are NOT vet but trying to deter them from giving something the vet has said to do..... this does not sit well with me. I GET this animal has had problems. But the vet did go to school for these types of things. Yes they are stumped. But go by what the vet is saying as well. Just because it is not in your herbal protocol to use a stronger different antibiotic does not mean it is not right!

And @TCOLVIN the goat was most likely hungry because the banamine was keeping the fever at bay and it will also make them hungry. A goat that feels sick just like a human does not want to eat. She NEEDS those nutrients. Esp with all the things you are throwin at her right now. You absolutely cannot have the goat stopping feed and water. When was the vet out to see this animal? You could be missing something while listening to lungs or heart or any bodily function that the vet may catch. If YOU and your VET feel the need to treat for the yeast then by all means do so. But go over the thought process with them.

 

I agree..please consult your vet. We are here to help and SUGGEST what works for our goats. We do support.all your efforts. But none of us are veterinarians.