Enlarged heart

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  1. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Since I'm not used to this website I want to ask who could help me with my nubian Onxy was diagnosed three years ago with an enlarged heart..I don't really know all of you so I only tried toothbearer which I don't even have the spelling right BUT I REALLY NEED ADVICE SHES NOT EATING MUCH AT ALL..I LOST IT PLEASE HELP
     
  2. MadHouse

    MadHouse Well-Known Member

    Making your own thread will get a lot more people to see your question and will get you more responses.
    Click on forums, scroll down to “Health and wellness”, click on that, then click “Post new thread”. Good luck!
     
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  3. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Moved this to your own thread.

    Get a temp on her right away, then we can tell you how to proceed.
     
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  4. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    Hey Debra...get her temp asap..check her famacha. Hows her over all condition? Coat and weight? Is she pooping berries.
     
  5. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Thanks so much, took her temperature today it is 103.1 not bad but still a small fever. Should I move this post so others can connect with me? Looked at her eyelids, a bit pale but not bad, I put her in the sick pen, she hasn't eaten in at least a few days, gave her a banamine shot because she's been grinding her teeth..my vet asked me to get a stool sample but she hasn't eaten, if she poops at all 8 have her where it would only be here, and my vet asked me to drop off a stool sample ♥️I pray that's all it is, parasites but I see that she wants to eat hay but she can't seem to eat any unless it's just one at the time. Gave her some hay, watched her sniffing it because she has to be hungry! She started eating an orange and seemed to be very hungry but she was so mad that we caught her that she kept trying to bite..8 don't know why people remove horns Because when the goats that I have don't have horns they learn to at least bite! In fact that's the reason I have her, her mom was Rose who just passed away and the person that opened them, said each time her husband tried to come into where they kept them rose would bite him! Never have either of them bitten me but after having to chase her to take her temperature she was LIVID AND KEPT TRYING TO BITE ME AND MY HUSBAND, we had no choice but to catch her or she'd have withered away in me ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED ♥️
     
  6. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    I hope you can see that I replied, just got in the house. We've been with the goats and I just came in to see f you people have any thoughts.. REMEMBER she was diagnosed with an enlarged heart almost 4 years ago and I believe it was from birth! The woman who gave Rose and Onxy to me said that she stopped breeding Rose's line, one of Rose's daughters had a doe but at just under a year old, Chris's went on a couple errands and came home and found that young doe deceased! We both have the same vet, so I contacted her about Onxy, that's when she told me about the little doe, our vet said she passed from a massive heart attack
     
  7. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    Not need to do another post. This spot is good. I see your post.

    Sounds like her rumen maybe upset. While you wait for the fecal. Give b complex and probiotics and dark beer at room temp.
     
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  8. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Thanks so very much, now I understand how to post on this website ♥️
     
  9. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    ☺️I gave Onxy the banamine for a slight fever and vitamin B complex hoping it would stimulate her appetite and I'm going to have my vet check her teeth to make sure nothing in her mouth is bad.. like a sharp tooth or anything else that could give her pain when she eats
     
  10. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    103 is not a high temp as 101.5-103.5 is normal range...but banamine can help stimulate appetite
     
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  11. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Her coat is short and she doesn't seem to get that nice warm undercoat, they originate in africa so I put a coat on her BUT of course she somehow tore the belly band right off and she got her leg stuck in the straps going around the back legs so that the coat doesn't rise up on her back.. but had to remove it, she ruined two good goat coats that I had for my Rose Rose wasn't as active, ever since she was diagnosed with the enlarged heart the only thing I see and hear her gurgling when she eats and she coughs a lot.
     
  12. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Well then that's good..I always thought a normal temperature is 101 to 102 so this is good to know thank you ♥️
     
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  13. goatblessings

    goatblessings Fair-Haven Supporting Member

    Jan 5, 2015
    Southwest Ohio
    If you have her penned now, you can put a collar on her so she is easier to catch and lead. None of mine have horns, and they learn to lead easily that way. In the meantime, if you feel she is cold, use deep bedding in her pen - also try giving her warm water to drink along with the advice above. Parasites can make them go off feed, but if she is coughing, and gurgling I'm thinking possible pneumonia at this point. If you've had quite a bit of a temperature change that can bring it on. Check with your vet about this possibility. She also may be getting water around the heart with these symptoms - a consult with your vet is wise.
     
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  14. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Thanks so much, I wish I could post a video I have of her coughing, yes she's been gurgling for four years, on X-ray no fluid around her heart, my vet asked me to bring a sample in to check for parasites but she hasn't eaten enough to poop I gave her vitamin B complex and banamine for the grinding of her teeth. 8 also wonder if something is going on in her mouth, I'm going to have my vet come or bring Onxy to her. I can't let her STARVE I'm going to try adding the video from this morning.. you can hear her coughing and gurgling
     
  15. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Tried to load the video but it says it's to large, it's only 47 seconds and I don't know how to trim it so you still can hear her gurgling
     
  16. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    To add a video, you need to post it to YouTube then copy the link for posting on here if that’ll help you,

    How about giving her a warm mash to help her eat.. I’d mix warm water (105*) alfalfa pellets, some oatmeal, some Canned pumpkin purée and some molasses in a bucket till it’s soft and see if she’ll eat that. It might get her going on food again and it’ll warm her up too.
     
  17. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    That's exactly what I did, bought alfalfa pellets and soaked them and made is mushy so that if anything hurts in her mouth it would be easier to eat, I've tried beet pulp, grain for horses without teeth, very soft grain nope, got her to eat one tangerine, and today some carrots, need her to poop so I can bring it to my vet so I'm hoping there will be a few.. I have no clue how to put this video on YouTube.. can you explain Because I would like for you all to hear her
     
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  18. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    I’m not a lot of help when it comes to YouTube. I know you have to have an account then you go to upload a video and upload it. Then on the videos page click share and it will allow you to copy the link to post here.
    Beyond that I’m not sure.
    Carrots are hard, so if she can crunch those she should be able to eat other things theoretically I would think. Try the pumpkin and oatmeal along with the b complex. You might be throwing too much at her at once and not knowing what’s working and what’s not. We’ve all done it when we think our goats are suffering. Give her warm molasses water to drink along with a bucket of warm plain water. Keeping her hydrated is very important.
     
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  19. Debra P

    Debra P Active Member

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    May 8, 2019
    Rhode house
    Actually, I have only tried getting her to eat for a couple days..the alfalfa grain soaked, beet pulp and horse feed is something I've been taking her aside since her diagnosis and feeding her extra so that she wouldn't either away, I was told it causes wasting of her body. Those are things I had been giving her and she loved it until a few weeks ago, slowly started eating less and less until she wouldn't eat any. The only thing I've tried since she stopped eating is a orange and the carrots, those are the mini carrots. She's REFUSED her food for a few weeks but I've seen her go out with the others to forage I know they aren't supposed to eat acorns BUT the pasture has so many there isn't a chance I could pick them all up could she be sick from eating acorns!? We have 5 pastures for them almost 10 acresACORNS!?
     
  20. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    Acorns have tannins in them so maybe she’s had a few too many. Maybe you could stall her with a buddy for a couple days away from them and see if her appetite comes back. If nothing else, you could accurately know how much she’s eating and what she’s eating.
     
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