[GoofyGoat]

Minerva is due the 25th of March.

Went to do normal pre-delivery routine CDT, Hoof trim etc when I checked her FAMACHA it was a 4-PANIC!
I've given ivermectin, redcell, vit B complex, cayenne and she's had 15cc of ACV water....
The only other wormer I have is Valbazen...I know you *can* give it this late but if there's something else I'd prefer it....

Advice please
@happybleats @SalteyLove @toth boer goats @AndersonRanch @Moers kiko boars @MadHouse @Damfino @Sfgwife @goathiker

 

[GoofyGoat]

She’s acting fine and eating well. I know we need to rotate pasture but can’t right now. We always feed up off the ground ...

 

[wheel-bear-o]

Oh my gosh, so glad you caught it. I am sure the others will have much smarter advice than me about chemical dewormers, but I will say that if this happened to me, I would copper bolus immediately as long as she hadn't had one recently. That is perfectly safe in pregnancy, won't interact with anything else you want to give her for deworming, and should reduce the parasite load at least somewhat.

 

[GoofyGoat]

Oh my gosh, so glad you caught it. I am sure the others will have much smarter advice than me about chemical dewormers, but I will say that if this happened to me, I would copper bolus immediately as long as she hadn't had one recently. That is perfectly safe in pregnancy, won't interact with anything else you want to give her for deworming, and should reduce the parasite load at least somewhat.

Thanks for the suggestion..you're right on track.
She had a 4gr on the 4th of January. We do monthly hoof trims, selenium and checks. She was a 2 on Feb 3..this was her predelivery routine I do a month out,

 

[21goaties]

You probably already know this but daily b12 shots and fecal?

 

[GoofyGoat]

Thanks,
Can’t do fecal today..stuck at pt and doctors but yes, tomorrow first thing it goes to my vet. She did have b complex...it’s all I have besides thiamine.

 

[21goaties]

Thanks,
Can't do fecal today..stuck at pt and doctors but yes, tomorrow first thing it goes to my vet. She did have b complex...it's all I have besides thiamine.

I would do daily b12 shots, here's the info: https://www.thegoatspot.net/threads/thiamine.219417/#post-2500645
It's not ideal to get a fecal right after deworming but it will still give you an idea of what she has

 

[GoofyGoat]

@21goaties..Thanks. While I'm at the vet I'll try to get straight B12 but making due right now. I figures some b complex was better than nothing. She's 80lbs and got 6ccs i figured a bit extra never hurt.

 

[MadHouse]

If she accepts garlic, give her a few cloves of it. Also evergreen bows. Sorry, I don’t have much experience with chemical dewormers.

 

[Moers kiko boars]

Hey there. I agree with copper, fecal, and b complex gel is fine. Im sure youve caught it in time. Do you have any ivermectin blue pour on de wormer? I really like the way it works. Even on our preggo girls.

 

[GoofyGoat]

Hey there. I agree with copper, fecal, and b complex gel is fine. Im sure youve caught it in time. Do you have any ivermectin blue pour on de wormer? I really like the way it works. Even on our preggo girls.

I hope so, she's doing the preggo waddle already...I gave her the ivermectin sub q (she was not happy with the sting ) so she wouldn't bleed out. I have the pour on yes, but it's the same class that I already gave. I believe I need a white wormer to compliment the ivermectin. I just don't like valbazen.

 

[toth boer goats]

I wouldn’t use Valbezen.
A fecal will tell you if you treated her properly.
I would get a sample at 10 days. Then worm her again with Ivomec.

Valbezen covers many of the same worms as Ivomec but add tapes. Do you see any tape worm segments?

I agree, copper, but I would go with getting fortified vit b complex, give it SQ. Do this daily for a while.

Also give red cell 6 cc’s per 100lbs daily for 1 week then 1 x a week thereafter or until her color is borderline safe.

Keep up the good work.

Make sure she gets Alfalfa hay.

Watch her ketones levels.

 

[GoofyGoat]

I wouldn't use Valbezen.
A fecal will tell you if you treated her properly.
I would get a sample at 10 days. Then worm her again with Ivomec.

Valbezen covers many of the same worms as Ivomec but add tapes. Do you see any tape worm segments?

I agree, copper, but I would go with getting fortified vit b complex, give it SQ. Do this daily for a while.

Also give red cell 6 cc's per 100lbs daily for 1 week then 1 x a week thereafter or until her color is borderline safe.

Keep up the good work.

Make sure she gets Alfalfa hay.

Watch her ketones levels.

Thanks for your help.
I didn't see any tape worm segments. I loaned my microscope to a friend for her homeschool science fair so I'm having to take a fecal to the vet. (No regrets, just bad timing )

She had copper on January 4th, I thought it would be too soon... should I give her a half dose (2gr) she only had 4gr. And is about 80lbs.
She's getting b complex 6cc's and redcell.

She has alfalfa pellets, Alfalfa and costal hay free choice, as well as WRS and Purina goat mineral and sheep minerals free choice along with kelp, she also gets red raspberry leaves daily.

Ketones negative but buying new strips tomorrow as I'm running low. So I'll double check.

 

[toth boer goats]

Praying for her and you for the strength to get through this.

 

[MadHouse]

I remember always reading to give high protein foods.

I hope she recovers quickly!

 

[GoofyGoat]

Thanks @toth boer goats and @MadHouse
I also put a protein tub in her pen...she was my first baby born here and my very special girl, if I can't get it turned around quickly I'm getting her a transfusion.

 

[happybleats]

Giving more copper now maybe too soon. Since she just had it in January. I would continue the care you are giving and add tummy tamer with raw garlic 2 times a day as a support.

Tummy tamer
1 teaspoon each
Cayenne pepper
Ginger root
Ginger
Slippery elm ( can get in capsule form at pharmacy..just break them open and measure)
ACV
Molasses
All.in enough water to drench..blend in 1-2 garlic cloves

 

[GoofyGoat]

Giving more copper now maybe too soon. Since she just had it in January. I would continue the care you are giving and add tummy tamer with raw garlic 2 times a day as a support.

Tummy tamer
1 teaspoon each
Cayenne pepper
Ginger root
Ginger
Slippery elm ( can get in capsule form at pharmacy..just break them open and measure)
ACV
Molasses
All.in enough water to drench..blend in 1-2 garlic cloves

Thanks, a couple of questions though...
Ginger root or ginger powder? I have both and can blend up the root. Do I skin it first?
I have a huge bag of slippery elm, I use it for other things

 

[happybleats]

Either will work. Most use powder ginger to mix easier but since you will blend in garlic a chunk of ginger root is ok too.no need to peel

 

[GoofyGoat]

I got a bloody worm outbreak, I found another one with a 4 now...I’m so upset! Thank god for the monthly checks, I’ve been letting others handle the goats because of my accident,so I blame myself. Now I’m a bit more mobile..this will never happen again. UGH,